How to prove bisexual affair of wife in court of law??
Narendra
(Querist) 11 July 2016
This query is : Resolved
Dear Lawyers
I have a question on how to proceed for the context below in court of law specifically when this is difficult to prove??
CONTEXT:
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The WIFE is BISEXUAL and has a bisexual relationship with a GIRL (Person XYZ) (who is BOY in girls body) since her childhood. This Friend XYZ of WIFE has followed the wife all along since 17 years of the marriage and the wife has continued her relationship with XYZ despite severe objections of husband. Now this person XYZ is also made witness in false 498a case and since the husband because of false DV case does not go to his own house , this person xyz safely stays with WIFE thereby both having gala time at expense of false cases on husband.
The love affair between WIFE & person XYZ is open secret and known to wife's family and has consent from all her family members. But as HUSBAND I am in dilemma and feel exploited by wife in most treacherous way and also because there are no laws to protect men in this situation which can not only be explained in writing and can not be proved.
How do I seek recourse from this particular situation? Just look at this way all dear lawyers. Consider yourself in this situation where your wife continues to fulfill her sexual needs from her female partner just using your services as ATM or only as family provider and now files false cases on you so that she can live with her partner for life forever. AND the most IRONICAL SITUATION is that LAWYERS , POLICE, GOVERNMENT, NGO, WOMEN COMMISSIONS all help her in achieving this sinister goal of hers.
My Query
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How do I tell the court about this BISEXUAL AFFAIR OF WIFE WHICH CAN NOT BE PROVED BY ME but is REAL and visible to all WIFE'S family member's and neighbors etc. THIS PERSON XYZ is also made witness in false 498a case and is living now without any restriction at my own flat since I can not go there because of false DV & 498a cases?
R.K Nanda
(Expert) 11 July 2016
Contact local lawyer.
Kumar Doab
(Expert) 11 July 2016
Engage a very able counsel and share whatever material you have.
If you can not collect evidence then you may engage agencies e.g; private detective.
Guest
(Expert) 11 July 2016
Mr. Narendra,
Yours is purely an academic query, as in the whole long story, you have not mentioned whether you have filed ny such case against your wife so far and whether you have engaged a lawyer or not.
Your statements that the love affairs is open secret and you cannot prove her bisexual affair, are two contradictory tatements.
However, if you have alleged, it is you who have to prove, none else on your behalf. If you can't prove, why striking your head?
Rajendra K Goyal
(Expert) 11 July 2016
Engage a senior lawyer and have guidance.
Narendra
(Querist) 11 July 2016
Thank you for your answers. Before I end I just had one question here. Do any of you have ever prosecuted a WOMAN in your career or you just want to fight and prosecute MEN entire life and SAVE WOMEN because only MEN COMMIT CRIMES?
Please prosecute AT LEAST ONE WOMEN before you end your career as lawyers whenever that happens and trust me you would have done GREAT SERVICE to MANKIND i.e your own race. With upward of 90% FALSE CASES ON MEN you guys have greater share in their peril, please remember this whenever you suggest 498a & DV cases to HELPLESS WOMEN (helpless as per the Fees or money offered to lawyers to fight upward of 90% false cases)
Guest
(Expert) 11 July 2016
Thanks for your advice, but come with some evidence, if you really want some solution. You can't win by merely making allegations. Allegations have to be proved by the accuser, even your own lawyer would say, if you hire one in this case.
However, if you are fed up with your wife after living with her 17 long years that is another thing. But still a crucial question would arise, had you been keeping your eyes closed for the 117 years long that you could not find even a single element of proof?
Think ten times. You should know that law works on evidence not merely on allegation.
Narendra
(Querist) 11 July 2016
P.S Dhingra Sir
I think you have not read the query. She has already filed 498a & DV. Right now its 2 years and we are at cross question stage. We want to tell the judge that she is bisexual and the PROOF IS VISIBLE in the form of the GIRL she has affair with. AnyONE who has traveled the WESTERN WORLD would quickly identify GAY WOMAN. But iN India we need to prove it through other means. What are those means to prove a lesbian affair was my question
Narendra
(Querist) 11 July 2016
Apart from that one thing is quite sure, That you do not understand the plight of MEN who have to deal with difficult woman in their life. Men have no option in form on any laws for them as MOST LAWYERS AND JUDGES WERE SLEEPING WHEN ONE SIDED GENDER BIASED LAWS WERE BEING DRAFTED BY SOME STUPID RETIRED JUDGE under the influence of WOMEN MINISTRY.
The lesbian affair in this case was questioned but was supported by her family members and then MAN in question did not knew how to deal with it once he understood what was going on between wife & other woman.
Guest
(Expert) 12 July 2016
Mr. Narendra,
I don't respond to any question without reading the text fully. But, if you are not able to say anything in support of your version that does not mean I should suggest you any unethical mean to prove your allegation against your wife. Moreover, when the case is already going on for the last two years and your own paid lawyer does not find any solution to prove your intentions, how you expect the experts here to suggest you any thing unethical, which you could not find for the last 17 years when she had been sitting right below your nose.
Moreover, if she filed 498a & DV case against you that in itself is not a proof that she is definitely a bisexual.
Your statement that proof is visible in the form of the girl she has affair with is also irrelevant, as it would not have been written on her face that she was bisexual and she enacted bi-sexual acts with your wife unless she gives her statement in the court in support of your contentions. So, if you feel she is the proof, instead of asking any one here, why you don't produce her as your witness to prove your allegation to be true?
If you feel men have no option in form on any laws for them, you cannot blame anyone else other than your elected leaders, who are the law makers. Go to your area MP to ask him to raise your voice in the Parliament for making change in law.
As you blame lawyers and judges were sleeping, they are not sleeping they are bound by laws which are enacted by your own elected leaders in the Parliament. They cannot go beyond the scope of the provisions of law. Get the law changed, as per your interpretation through your elected representatives, nobody can prohibit you.
So, finally, as you ask "how to deal with it," only your own hired lawyer for the last two years can find the answer, as you should not have expected anyone here to suggest you unethical means to frame your wife.
I can only wish good luck for youm if you don't have any evidence to prove your charge.
Guest
(Expert) 12 July 2016
Moreover, if the girl is the proof, you have to convince the judge, not any body here, as to how she is a proof.
Narendra
(Querist) 12 July 2016
P. S. DHINGRA Sir ,
Thanks you for the reply.
I am looking for ways and how to PRESENT an LESBIAN AFFAIR in courts of law and what are the guidelines if at all available to prove such an affair. Does judiciary even have a provision for such an INCIDENT is what I want to know.
For example are there any medical tests I can subject the wife and other person to prove lesbian affair?
Also NO ONE IS TRYING TO FRAME ANY ONE HERE so question of ethics does not arise.
Also you say That "Lawyers are bound by laws which are enacted by your own elected leaders in the Parliament. "
I do not believe that LAWYERS are bound by laws to create and support upward of 90% false cases. All you have to do is to stop being white knights to women and understand that WOMEN are not only misusing these laws with HELP FROM LAWYERS but also sending law abiding and tax paying innocent MEN to jail just to fulfill their shallow ego.
WOMEN do not draft the false D.V petition , it is you lawyers who draft it knowing fully well that it is false but for some money lawyers create a havoc in another MAN's life. Go find a decent way to earn money if you can instead of creating upward of 90% false cases on MEN. The fact that upward of 90% cases are false is proof enough that LAWYERS are only thinking of money and are party to WOMEN CRIMINAL in drafting false petitions against MEN.
That is why I keep prodding you guys to at least PROSECUTE ONE WOMAN so that we know that you guys have got enough guts to fight women when they go rogue. It is very easy to target men since there are no laws for them.
Narendra
(Querist) 12 July 2016
But I am very sure if a WOMAN came to your office and cried few drops of tears you guys would immediately suggest 498a , DV, Un Natural sex , molestation , rape etc as provision she can use to harass MEN's family.
and Here I am with actual incidents and rasing queries but instead of answering real question you are taking a roundabout method to term my queries as academic and at times making me understand that I am trying to FRAME a person just because she has filed 498a & DV on us.
Come on guys, wake up to your own deeds and stop sending innocent MEN to jail just to protect a person because she was a woman.
If you can not answer my query to the point then at least be brave enough to tell that we only have suggestion for WOMEN while MEN can go to hell and fight false cases till they are proved false in courts of law.
Guest
(Expert) 12 July 2016
Mr. Narendra,
By your statement, "I do not believe that LAWYERS are bound by laws to create and support upward of 90% false cases, if you want us to nelieve on your version, you are misguided, as that you have to teach your own paid lawyers, not any one else here.
And, if you are not satisfied with the performance of your own lawyer, you are free to change him, but need not preach any one here.
Also, if you believe that you can prosecute your wife without any proof in your hand, you are free to do so also, nobody is going to prohihibit you from that.
SAINATH DEVALLA
(Expert) 12 July 2016
Sr Adv Dhingraji,has given the requisite feedback to the author,despite the fact that the query sounding rather academic based on the ingredients embedded by the author.
Instead of; proving the alleged lesbian affair of the wife with valid evidences he has been stressing the forum and the legal experts to punish the offenders.
Narendra
(Querist) 12 July 2016
Okay Sir,
I will do more research on this matter if i can find something.
Lets consider this query resolved for the time being.
Thanks
Kumar Doab
(Expert) 12 July 2016
It has been suggested in the thread that 'Engage a very able counsel and share whatever material you have.'
A lawyer shall defend his/her client.
be it male/female.
If one lawyer stands for husband other stands for wife.
So you have your lawyer and your wife has her lawyer.
Both shall defend their respective client.
The court shall examine the material, evidence place before it, arguments etc and decide..................
Hope you have heard about the Monica Lewinsky scandal.
The investigators took body fluid samples from clothes in cup boards to prove the charges.
You may attempt gather the evidence.
Your lawyer can guide you.
That is it.
There are many initiatives started for men who face such matrimonial disputes.
Just search and you will get lot of information.
Have trust in your lawyer.
If you are not satisfied, engage another lawyer/law firm.
Narendra
(Querist) 12 July 2016
Also when a woman implicates some one who is just relative of a person staying in AMERICA but wants to include his / her name in DV / 498a petition THEN DOES IT NOT SOUND ACADEMIC to you guys?
As per your own convenience you guys term the query either academic or real? or is it based on how much money that a lawyer is going to earn decides whether the query is academic or real?
Narendra
(Querist) 12 July 2016
Okay Kumar Doab sir,
I only have proofs by circumstantial evidences and the fact that the other woman looks like a BOY in appearance and is a well known fact in most such bisexual affair that one of the woman acts and looks like a boy.
Also this woman continues to come to house despite all resistance from husband but because she has support from wife & her family and the fact husband is a lone party while wife has all her relatives near by makes the husband helpless. And then again there are LAWYERS here who mostly do not even have idea about what happens in bisexual and lesbian affairs and so are not able to give guidelines when asked
Narendra
(Querist) 12 July 2016
Also girls mother know that daughter is bisexual and when confronted asked the husband to be broad minded instead.
Narendra
(Querist) 12 July 2016
Also dear lawyers,
NO WHERE I SAID "MY WIFE" I am using the term "THE WIFE" if you can read it clearly. I am just one of the victim in this entire matter and is trying to help the person (man) who's relative I am am and so the REAL QUESTION should be for me " HOW DO I AVOID BEING RELATIVE OF ANY ONE TO AVOID FALSE CASES ON ME" ??
Guest
(Expert) 12 July 2016
Mr. Narendra,
About your latest post, you may presume anything, as you believe only in making non-evidential statements. I am deadly against leveling any false allegation by any one may be your wife or any other lady dropping tears before me. I make my own investigation before extending any support to any one, as I put questions to you also to satisfy me whether yours is a true story or merely a hypothetical story. If you can't take any clue from my posts, you are free to assume anything that helps you to be pleased.
But, of course, if your story is true, it has become quite evident what type of talent you have got, if you could not get even a small bit of evidence about your wife's bisexual act even on her continuous living with you for long 17 years.
To be frank, you have not yet been able to convince me that there is any truth in your story. It is only a hypothetical academic question to solve which you frantically wants to find solution by adding your vague types of plea.
Your initial statement, "GIRL (Person XYZ) who is BOY in girls body" is a living example of your hypothecated story.
By the way, have you tested that girl to be a boy?
Moreover, if there is any truth in your story, suppose even if she is a boy and your wife is entangled with that girl type boy, that clearly means that you were never ever capable of satisfying your wife for all these 17 years or you may be torturing her due to your own assumtions, presumptions and misunderstanding about her only due to your skeptical nature. In that case you have the need to make a review of your own attitude towards her.
Narendra
(Querist) 12 July 2016
and do not forget who DRAFTED THE FALSE D.V PETITIONS FOR THE WOMEN and included people who were not part of shared household?
"THE LAWYER off course"
and NOW DO YOU HAVE ANY REMEDY FOR LAWYERS HELPING FILE FALSE CASES?
Now I know you all will GANG UP AGAINST ME to protect your MEMBER from your lawyer community.
Narendra
(Querist) 12 July 2016
Okay Dear lawyers,
I understand I need to find few concrete proofs so let me do my own investigation and see if I can find something more apart from circumstantial evidence.
Thank you guys for your patience and listening to my preaching.
And Yes I have got a sharp mind there is no question about that. It is just that I am stuck because of the person in question who relative I am and the person can only tell his story which can be only understood but at present requires proof in courts of law
Narendra
(Querist) 12 July 2016
P S Dingra Sir
"Moreover, if there is any truth in your story, suppose even if she is a boy and your wife is entangled with that girl type boy, that clearly means that you were never ever capable of satisfying your wife for all these 17 years or you may be torturing her due to your own assumtions, presumptions and misunderstanding about her only due to your skeptical nature. In that case you have the need to make a review of your own attitude towards her"
What was this reply you gave! I do not expect this kind of reply from a lawyer. This looks like a quality of WOMEN PROTECTOR who is making assumptions to protect that invisible woman.
Come On sir, I do not think you are even qualified to answer this type of a query.
Thank you for your time.
Guest
(Expert) 12 July 2016
Mr. Narendra,
Now a great twist with your latest statement where you said, "NO WHERE I SAID 'MY WIFE' I am using the term 'THE WIFE' if you can read it clearly," has proved beyond doubt that yours was merely a hypothetical story.
Irrespective of whether you used or not the term "MY", what does your original statement reveals when you stated, "But as HUSBAND I AM in dilemma and feel exploited by wife in most treacherous way."
Still further, what does your original statement denotes where you said, "How do I seek recourse from this particular situation"? The question arises, why did you seek recourse for any one else, if she is not your wife and you were not concerned with that case?
Still further, what does your another statement denotes, where you said, "How do I tell the court about this BISEXUAL AFFAIR OF WIFE?" Another question arises, why you want to tell the court and why court may allow you to tell on behalf of some one else, when you don't have any concern with the case.
Now with your own latest post you have fully exposed yourself. You are mistaken if you think that you were telling your story before idiots.
So, now you need not demonstrate any more of your wisdom at this site.
Narendra
(Querist) 12 July 2016
P. S. DHINGRA:
Yes sir, I agree I am making mistakes while writing since I am trying to find a solution for someone involved whose relative I am.
But the real question here is about guidelines on proving a bisexual affair. If I was a LAWYER i will let go of the mistakes and try to get the real picture and answer accordingly. What is happening here is that instead of giving answer on a query i am getting roundabout replies terming my query as academic etc. Why do lawyers believe every word a woman say while filing false DV cases but MEN are suffering at hand of lawyers who term their complaints as academic etc.
Guest
(Expert) 12 July 2016
Also thanks for becoming a self-styled judge of my qualities. Of course, I and other experts have fully judged, where you actually stand in fabricating stories.
Narendra
(Querist) 12 July 2016
P. S. DHINGRA Sir,
Why ARE MEN FIGHTING UPWARD OF 90% FALSE CASES? if you can answer this then I would have got answer to my query too.
Thanks
Guest
(Expert) 12 July 2016
If you wanted guidelines on proving a bisexual affair, you had knocked the wrong door. You were required to go to the site of bisexuals or to meet any such in person.
Narendra
(Querist) 12 July 2016
Sir I have seen the person and know quite well about the nature of the relationship. But How do I prove or tell the court that such a relationship exists. I just wanted guidelines on this matter
Narendra
(Querist) 12 July 2016
I am a well traveled person and is aware of these relationships and their nature. But In India how do we prove this was my question wrto guidelines if any exists for this type of relationship so that husband can at least tell the court of his sufferings
Narendra
(Querist) 12 July 2016
P. S. DHINGRA Sir,
I have now to excuse you since I am very sure that I need to look for answers somewhere else.
Thank you for your time
Guest
(Expert) 12 July 2016
You need not make any more lame excuse, when you have already been caught on your own statements.
On your own statement, "Why ARE MEN FIGHTING UPWARD OF 90% FALSE CASES," I may prefer to ask you, why you tried to fight so long on your false case, when you were least concerned with any such case?
Narendra
(Querist) 12 July 2016
On your own statement, "Why ARE MEN FIGHTING UPWARD OF 90% FALSE CASES," I may prefer to ask you, why you tried to fight so long on your false case, when you were least concerned with any such case?
I do not understand your query sir. The false case does not come by choice to me. I happen to be relative of husband and live 200 KM away fro his house but I have Travelled to america and there lies the issue. The Women thought I would end up giving money so she included my name too. Now please don't say that I am fabricating it. I have never even visited that persons house ever but my name was included since i am his close relative to pressurise the man in to giving away his property and money to the woman. But we instead choose to fight the case rather than give in to her demands. Does this satify your query?
Guest
(Expert) 12 July 2016
Your greatness, if you excused me, but I won't excuse you for wasting so much of my precious time with your totally junk story and lame excuses.
I nopw, when on becoming a lawyer, if your any judge gives his adverse judgment on your lame excuses, you would try to say, Mr. judge, I pardon you, I shall look for my favourable judgment from my neighbours.
Guest
(Expert) 12 July 2016
Another lame excuse! Leave it, you are not able to understand my question. When you were not unfit to undertand question of any one here, why you tried to represent your so called relative, 200 KM or 2 KM away, which distance nobody has asked you.
Better, advise him to ask for remedy of this false case from his own lawyer.
Narendra
(Querist) 12 July 2016
Okay P. S. DHINGRA Sir
Please pardon me for wasting your time if that please s you.
If you have any queries to me I shall answer them too.
Thanks
Kumar Doab
(Expert) 12 July 2016
Author @ Narendra,
There are 37 post in the thread and you should be satisfied.
It has been enough.
You seem to have your own anguish.
You can vent it somewhere else.
If you are affected and aggrieved then don't hesitate to engage a very able counsel, discuss and be satisfied upto your level of satisfaction, from your own counsel on anything including but not limited to 'Circumstantial Evidence'.
Your able counsel may still opine to get some substantiated evidence or even may help you to get it OR may opine that it is sufficient IF it is sufficient.
Finally the court shall decide.
Learned Senior Expert Shri P.S.Dhingra is senior Expert at LCI and has helped uncountable number of querist/authors.
And even budding and aspiring lawyer benefit from reading his well reasoned, well illustrated posts.
We all respect, admire, adore Expert Shri P.S.Dhingra.
You have been advised by other able Experts.
Finally as already opined by you also, the thread may be closed.
Narendra
(Querist) 12 July 2016
Sure Sir.
Thank and I appreciate taking my queries even if they were annoying.
Thanks specially to Dhingra Ji.
Please close it.
Kumar Doab
(Expert) 12 July 2016
Last Reply.
Thank You.
The readers shall rationalize and gain from this thread and appreciate Shri P.S.Dhingra's level of patience.
Last Advise/Suggestion:
Even during paid consultations the counsel may draw the limits for the client.
Narendra
(Querist) 12 July 2016
Before I end..I would like to specify that my lawyer is a gem of a person who we got after talking to several arrogant and half knowledge lawyers. In that sense I feel lucky to have found at least a good human being as a lawyer. I have to say this as I know that arrogance and half knowledge come naturally to most lawyers. Being part of fabricate false cases I have a responsibility too to investigate and provide as much help I can to my lawyer even if that requires me to come here in this forum. If nothing comes out at least I am able to preach you guys in to understanding the plight of MEN and request you to be sensitive to MEN also as they need you support more than anyone else since so many GENDER BIASED LAWS have come up against men and only you LAWYERS can save your own race i.e MEN from falling in to trap of false cases by REJECTING WOMEN who you think are deliberately trying to trap husband. My only request to you LAWYER is to be responsible towards MEN too,
Guest
(Expert) 12 July 2016
Surely, like you story, he would have been (artificial) gem, who could not solve your problem for the last two years. If he was gem, why did you feel to take help from the members of this forum?
