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(Guest)

Abolish death penalty

death penalty: a failed method of deterring crime, is still there in india.  this method has failed to stop crime altogether. defenders of death penalty argue the following:

 

1] The death penalty serves as a deterrent to criminals who may be considering committing a capital offence.

it failed to deter criminals from comitting crime. crimes for which death penalty is given is repeated over and over. for example if death penalty is given to a rape and murder criminal, the rape and murder will not stop. it still is going on.


2] One of the main principals of punishment and the judicial system is that the penalty fits the crime. If someone violently murders another individual or numerous people, then it makes sense for the punishment to be death.


it does not. there are 2 types of criminals: first time offender and serial offender. death penalty is not fitted to this first time offender since it is their first offence.they deserve a second chance. to serial offender death penalty will not finish the crime at all.

there are people who commit crime for compulsion and necessity. death penalty won't suit them either. the principle penalty fits the crime must be interpreted correctly.


3] Some anti-death penalty campaigners describe examples of people on death row, or people have already been killed have then been proved innocent. Today, the accuracy of modern forensics and DNA testing makes it very unlikely for an innocent person to be put on death row. 

there are modern forensic test but how many judges can understand those tests? it is very likely that judges failed to understand the scientific procedure. then an innocent man will be killed by judicial machinary.


4]it is argued that the number of innocent people that may be killed is equalised by the number of actual criminals that are set free.

just what kind of argument it is? setting criminals free to equalize the death of innocent people? you will set the criminals free but will not finish the death penalty? what kind of dumbo it is?


5] Putting people in prison, as opposed to executing them gives them a chance of parole (or the small chance of escape), meaning they can commit more crimes. Capital punishment means there is no chance of the criminal committing another crime.

no. it is not.death penalty failed to deter criminals from comitting crime. crimes for which death penalty is given is repeated over and over.

when a medicine cannot cure your disease what does that mean? it means it is not the right medicine. like this if death penalty failed to stop crime, it means that it is not the way to stop the crime. we must find out a way to stop the crime. to do that we must find out the reason of crime.

does not it make sense?

 

what do you think?



 



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sri (ceo)     24 May 2012

absolute rot...

sharia law execution is the best in the world...

go around the world to understand playing around with crime unlike india...

indian judicial system is a shame on humanity...

people kill cockroach, snakes, scorpions because they do harm to humanity... dont breed a zoo for them...


(Guest)

will death stop the harm towards humanity? people kill cockroach, snakes, scorpions because they do harm to humanity. but killing them does not stop them harming humanity.

 

time has come to think how to stop harm to humanity. to do that the first question will be:

 

why do people harm other peoples?

 

once you get the reason, then eliminate the reason to rightly eliminate the harm.

 

death did not stop harm to humanity any way. it is of no use to stop the harm.

Anjuru Chandra Sekhar (Advocate )     29 May 2012

Capital punishment should be abolished.

Anjuru Chandra Sekhar (Advocate )     29 May 2012

However life imprisonment shall mean strictly life imprisonment, that is, imprisonment till death. 


(Guest)
Originally posted by :chandrasekhar.7203@ gmail.com
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However life imprisonment shall mean strictly life imprisonment, that is, imprisonment till death. 
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whats the difference between imprisonment till death and death penalty ? the former it is an indirect death penalty. it is more painful because one has to spent one's entire life in jail. our friend chandrashekhar loves cruelty soo much that i seriously doubt at which era he is actually living? middle age or 21st century.

 

i have seen his inhumanity in my previous threads. have pity on him. he just can't conduct reasoning righly.

Anjuru Chandra Sekhar (Advocate )     29 May 2012

You pity yourself that you pick up rivalrty even with the fellow who supports you.


(Guest)

oh come on chandrashekhar. you are prescribing death penalty indirectly. i am against all sort of death penalty direct or indirectly.

Anjuru Chandra Sekhar (Advocate )     31 May 2012

Corporate lawyer saab!  You must be knowing that fresh plea cannot be raised in replication, in law pleadings.  Yeh baat aap pehle nahi kahaa ki you oppose all sorts of death penalty, direct or indirect.:)


(Guest)

well i am sorry. if you don't understand please don't blame me. by the word death penalty i mean all direct and indirect death penalty.  i am totally against death. you are talking about  prisoning a man until death. that is in no way different from hanging a man until death.

 

if you don't understand this simple impliction, then don't blame me for that. also corporate lawyers seldom go to court to plea before judge. most of the time they draft agreement, contract, deeds and design transaction of the company.

Democratic Indian (n/a)     02 June 2012

India dodges response to UN human rights periodic review
Aditi Tandon/TNS

INDIAN stance

AFSPA: Dodged questions on repeal; cited SC upholding its constitutionality
Prevention of Communal Violence Bill: Expresses uncertainty over the need
Homos*xuality: Against criminalisation of homos*xuals
Child labour: Says it is conscious of the problem, but has no magic wand to abolish it
Moratorium on death penalty: Takes the plea that it is awarded only in extreme cases

New Delhi, June 1
India declined to comment on any of the 169 recommendations made by 80 UN member states that participated in its second universal periodic review (UPR) of human rights that concluded in Geneva yesterday.

These recommendations include repeal and review of the Armed Forces Special Powers Act; ratification of the Conventions on Enforced Disappearances and Torture; imposition of moratorium on death penalty; repeal of anti-conversion laws and abolition of child labour.

The government delegation, led by Attorney General Ghoolam Vahanvati, expressed uncertainty before the UN Human Rights Commission (HRC) Working Group over the need for the Prevention of Communal Violence Bill. On child labour, India said it was conscious of the need to abolish it, but had no magic wand to do so.

After the UN yesterday adopted India’s draft report on UPR, Vahanvati deferred government’s response on recommendations till September when the plenary session of the HRC will be held to adopt final country reports.

The Commonwealth Human Rights Initiative (CHRI), a civil society group that participated in the review, said India’s UPR was marked by a general lack of acceptance of human rights challenges and a mere reiteration of domestic laws by the government.

On AFSPA, India dodged recommendations. “We are disturbed about India dodging recommendations for repeal and review of AFSPA by referring to the Supreme Court’s upholding of its constitutionality and by citing Army’s human rights cell as a redressal mechanism,” WGHR convener Miloon Kothari said.

On Convention against Torture (CAT), India referred to the Prevention of Torture Bill (PTB) pending before Parliament but did not comment on the non-compliance with CAT’s definition of torture.

Most countries recommended India to impose moratorium on death penalty. The government claimed its policy was to award death penalty only in the rarest of rare cases. “This was deeply unsatisfactory as more and more death sentences are now being awarded,” said Kothari.

Source https://www.tribuneindia.com/2012/20120602/main6.htm


(Guest)

according to lord macaulay, india is a country where any sort of inhuman and barbaric act becomes justified. we are taught from childhood that if you do not snatch away things, you can't have anything. barbarism is the way of life. so be barbaric or perish.

 

with this kind of teaching from very childhood till manhood will make a man barbaric even against his will.

 

this is a uncivilised barbaric tribal country where still inter caste marriage, love affair cause social agitation. it is a country where lovers are sevearly punished by both society and law. is loving a crime in india? it is a country where still forceful marriage called groom abduction is prevelant in a large part of society. see my thread on groom abduction here:

https://www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/Groom-abduction-an-inhuman-practice-of-india-58524.asp

 

it is a country where still worshipping false god is practiced . in hindu religion, hating other faith is taught continuously.  it is a country where still science did not receive its esteemed post as it receive in the west.

 

so it is very common and expected thing that india will not comply with international human rights rules.

 

no wonder brother. it is not a democratic india at all.

Sudhir Kumar, Advocate (Advocate)     24 October 2014

If humanity is to be protected the death penalty must remain. Some lives are actually threat to humanity.

S N Thakur (Entrepreneur)     31 July 2015

Earlier death penalty was brutal, painful and public, later moved to less painful, more humane, and now they need to be abolished, for refinement

The architect and framers of the Constitution of India freely borrowed the good features of other constitutions. However, on 20 December 2012, meetings of the 67th Session of the UN General Assembly adopted a fourth resolution (A/RES/67/176) on moratorium on the death penalty, where 111 countries voted in favour, 41 countries, including India, voted against, 34 countries abstained from and 7 countries were absent. 

But India voted against moratorium on the death penalty instead of 111 countries voted in favour, only 41 against. Since, the architect and framers of the Constitution of India freely borrowed the good features of other countries. Why not India, for good, voted in favour for moratorium on the death penalty? 

A change, in more civil manner, is necessary for refinement. Abolish death penalty.

Anjuru Chandra Sekhar (Advocate )     19 August 2015

If humanity is to be protected the death penalty must remain. Some lives are actually threat to humanity.

 

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Truly some lives are threat to humanity, however such lives shall not include the lives of those who kill people with the authority given by State to award death penalty.  To show the difference between them and those who stand on the side of law and order is sine qua non. 25 years  imprisonment shall be the maximum punishment in my view, because that gives some hope to the people that they will not hang, at the same time caters to the need of realizing the mistake committed in solitude ..... by spending such a long time in jail.  I don't call the people who support capital punishment barbaric, in human.....such metaphors not needed because at times I too feel strongly about it when I hear the way some criminals committed crimes.  But whatever be the cruelty of such criminals, a civilized nation has a duty to convey to the world that it stands for peace and that it does not do the same to the people who commit murders, what they did to victims.  No civilized criminal justice system, no civilized society shall be allowed to take delight in the death of any human being....nor be allowed to satisfy the evil want of watching the taking of a human being to gallows and hanging.  Its a  sensational news or view to attract but does not reflect a healthy soul within. 


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