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OK.. So easy quote in Hindi “Vinaash kaale vipreet buddhi”.. Sir, achchhi baat bhi aako buri lag rahi hai to aapne thik haka ki “TIME KHARAAB KAR DIYA”.. Are Sir, Hamne kya kiya? Jo kiya wo aapne khud apne haath se hi kiya hai !!

Ab is baat par bhi gussa mat ho jaana Sir.

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08 March 2011, 12:22
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 Mr. Ramani, the rough traslation in English is:

drums, illiterate( it is not the exact traslation of Ganwar, but something like this)  shudra( low caste people), animals, and women needs to be tortured/ beaten. It is enunciated in Manu Smriti which guided the Hindu laws. Look at this from women's rights, animal rights and human rights ( caste related, and women related both) perspective!

Akkha yeh shehar bada
Apni jaib mein pada
Khulla raaj hai bas kya
Ungli yeh trigger pe hai
Daring bhi jigar mein hai
Apni taath hai bas kya
O apna time hai, aish cash bhi zabardast hai
Underground har cheez ka yahan bandobast hai
Babu rao mast hai, mast hai, mast mast hai - 4 times

Lekin Mahoday, meri aapse aur aapki vaanarsena se appeal hai ki aap log Angreji ka virodh jaari rakhen aur kaskar Hindi ka Langot bandhe rahen aur bade bade pattharon par Hindi me likhen “Jai Shreeram” aur samudra me daalkar pul banaakar videshon me bhi apne Zande gaaden.

Haan, Gale me Dhol-Manjeera zaroor latkaaye rakhen aur jor-jor se Hindi me “Ram-Dhun” gaate rahen.. Koi sune ya na sune..

Yahi hammari Hardik Shubhechchha hai.

- Dhanyabaad.

Saare “KAANE PONGA PANDIT” ek ek karke aa rahe hain line me aur khud hi apne aapko expose kar rahe hain !!...Jaise doobne waala jor-jor se idhar udhar haath pair marta hai aur anaap-shanaap chillata hai..

“MUZE BHAGWAAN NE DARSHAN DIYE.. MUZE BHAGWAAN NE DARSHAN DIYE..”…!!!... hahahahahaha>>>>>>>>

See, I have posted a joke here in Hindi. Can our all friends in different states, read this? But if it is translated in English most of Indians can understand it.

Someone please translate it in English so all friends can enjoy it.

 Knowledge is POWER. Knowledge makes aware. Awarenss creates way to freedom and brings out of exploitation whch happns due to unawareness. English gives worldwide knowledge and brings out of shortsightedness. But selfish leaders do not like it since if people become aware their selfish politics will go defeated so.

DRF’s views conects;

https://www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/Dharma-or-virtue-work-under-this-Flag-Dr-S-Radhakrishnan-33270.asp

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36 Crore Devi-Devta behind all injustice

 Before, 26 January 1950 when the democracy adopted (Equal Citizenship), there were 35 Crore population if India and 36 Crore DEVI-DEVTA.. And there were ever exploitation of poor by the MOST ANTI-RELIGIOUS ANTI-SOCIAL ELEMENTS in the name of CASTISM IN SO CALLED RELIGION.  Even more than one DEVI-DEVTA were there behind every one human.  So we can come to the conclusion that these DEVI-DEVTAs were behind every injustice. NO ??????

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LANGUAGE - THE CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISIONS

PART XVII : OFFICIAL LANGUAGE

CHAPTER I.—LANGUAGE OF THE UNION

343. Official language of the Union.—

(1) The official language of the Union shall be Hindi in Devanagari scriptt. The form of numerals to be used for the official purposes of the Union shall be the international form of Indian numerals.

(2) Notwithstanding anything in clause (1), for a period of fifteen years from the commencement of this Constitution, the English language shall continue to be used for all the official purposes of the Union for which it was being used immediately before such commencement: Provided that the President may, during the said period, by order1 authorise the use of the Hindi language in addition to the English language and of the Devanagari form of numerals in addition to the international form of Indian numerals for any of the official purposes of the Union.

(3) Notwithstanding anything in this article, Parliament may by law provide for the use, after the said period of fifteen years, of—

(a) the English language, or (b) the Devanagari form of numerals,

for such purposes as may be specified in the law.

344. Commission and Committee of Parliament on official language.—

(1) The President shall, at the expiration of five years from the commencement of this Constitution and thereafter at the expiration of ten years from such commencement, by order constitute a Commission which shall consist of a Chairman and such other members representing the different languages specified in the Eighth Schedule as the President may appoint, and the order shall define the procedure to be followed by the Commission.

(2) It shall be the duty of the Commission to make recommendations to the President as to—

(a) The progressive use of the Hindi language for the official purposes of the Union;

(b) Restrictions on the use of the English language for all or any of the official purposes of the Union;

(c) The language to be used for all or any of the purposes mentioned in article 348;

(d) The form of numerals to be used for any one or more specified purposes of the Union;

(e) Any other matter referred to the Commission by the President as regards the official language of the Union and the language for communication between the Union and a State or between one State and another and their use.

(3) In making their recommendations under clause (2), the Commission shall have due regard to the industrial, cultural and scientific advancement of India, and the just claims and the interests of persons belonging to the non-Hindi speaking areas in regard to the public services.

(4) There shall be constituted a Committee consisting of thirty members, of whom twenty shall be members of the House of the People and ten shall be members of the Council of States to be elected respectively by the members of the House of the People and the members of the Council of States in accordance with the system of proportional representation by means of the single transferable vote.

(5) It shall be the duty of the Committee to examine the recommendations of the Commission constituted under clause (1) and to report to the President their opinion thereon.

(6) Notwithstanding anything in article 343, the President may, after consideration of the report referred to in clause (5), issue directions in accordance with the whole or any part of that report.

CHAPTER II.—REGIONAL LANGUAGES

345. Official language or languages of a State.—Subject to the provisions of articles 346 and 347, the Legislature of a State may by law adopt any one or more of the languages in use in the State or Hindi as the language or languages to be used for all or any of the official purposes of that State:

Provided that, until the Legislature of the State otherwise provides by law, the English language shall continue to be used for those official purposes within the State for which it was being used immediately before the commencement of this Constitution.

346. Official language for communication between one State and another or between a State and the Union.—The language for the time being authorised for use in the Union for official purposes shall be the official language for communication between one State and another State and between a State and the Union:

Provided that if two or more States agree that the Hindi language should be the official language for communication between such States, that language may be used for such communication.

347. Special provision relating to language spoken by a section of the population of a State.—On a demand being made in that behalf the President may, if he is satisfied that a substantial proportion of the population of a State desire the use of any language spoken by them to be recognised by that State, direct that such language shall also be officially recognised throughout that State or any part thereof for such purpose as he may specify.

CHAPTER III.—LANGUAGE OF THE SUPREME COURT, HIGH COURTS, ETC.

348. Language to be used in the Supreme Court and in the High Courts and for Acts, Bills, etc.—

(1) Notwithstanding anything in the foregoing provisions of this Part, until Parliament by law otherwise provides—

(a) All proceedings in the Supreme Court and in every High Court,

(b) The authoritative texts—

(i) Of all Bills to be introduced or amendments thereto to be moved in either House of Parliament or in the House or either House of the Legislature of a State,

(ii) Of all Acts passed by Parliament or the Legislature of a State and of all Ordinances promulgated by the President or the Governor of a State, and

(iii) Of all orders, rules, regulations and bye-laws issued under this Constitution or under any law made by Parliament or the Legislature of a State, shall be in the English language.

(2) Notwithstanding anything in sub-clause (a) of clause (1), the Governor of a State may, with the previous consent of the President, authorise the use of the Hindi language, or any other language used for any official purposes of the State, in proceedings in the High Court having its principal seat in that State: Provided that nothing in this clause shall apply to any judgment, decree or order passed or made by such High Court.

(3) Notwithstanding anything in sub-clause (b) of clause (1), where the Legislature of a State has prescribed any language other than the English language for use in Bills introduced in, or Acts passed by, the Legislature of the State or in Ordinances promulgated by the Governor of the State or in any order, rule, regulation or bye-law referred to in paragraph (iii) of that sub-clause, a translation of the same in the English language published under the authority of the Governor of the State in the Official Gazette of that State shall be deemed to be the authoritative text thereof in the English language under this article.

349. Special procedure for enactment of certain laws relating to language.— During the period of fifteen years from the commencement of this Constitution, no Bill or amendment making provision for the language to be used for any of the purposes mentioned in clause (1) of article 348 shall be introduced or moved in either House of Parliament without the previous sanction of the President, and the President shall not give his sanction to the introduction of any such Bill or the moving of any such amendment except after he has taken into consideration the recommendations of the Commission constituted under clause (1) of article 344 and the report of the Committee constituted under clause (4) of that article.

CHAPTER IV.—SPECIAL DIRECTIVES

350. Language to be used in representations for redress of grievances.—Every person shall be entitled to submit a representation for the redress of any grievance to any officer or authority of the Union or a State in any of the languages used in the Union or in the State, as the case may be.

350A. Facilities for instruction in mother-tongue at primary stage.—It shall be the endeavour of every State and of every local authority within the State to provide adequate facilities for instruction in the mother-tongue at the primary stage of education to children belonging to linguistic minority groups; and the President may issue such directions to any State as he considers necessary or proper for securing the provision of such facilities.

350B. Special Officer for linguistic minorities.—

(1) There shall be a Special Officer for linguistic minorities to be appointed by the President.

(2) It shall be the duty of the Special Officer to investigate all matters relating to the safeguards provided for linguistic minorities under this Constitution and report to the President upon those matters at such intervals as the President may direct, and the President shall cause all such reports to be laid before each House of Parliament, and sent to the Governments of the States concerned.

351. Directive for development of the Hindi language.—It shall be the duty of the Union to promote the spread of the Hindi language, to develop it so that it may serve as a medium of expression for all the elements of the composite culture of India and to secure its enrichment by assimilating without interfering with its genius, the forms, style and expressions used in Hindustani and in the other languages of India specified in the Eighth Schedule, and by drawing, wherever necessary or desirable, for its vocabulary, primarily on Sanskrit and secondarily on other languages.

EIGHTH SCHEDULE – Languages [Articles 344 (1) and 351]

1. Assamese. 2. Bengali. 3. Bodo. 4. Dogri. 5. Gujarati. 6. Hindi. 7. Kannada. 8. Kashmiri. 9. Konkani. 10. Maithili. 11. Malayalam. 12. Manipuri. 13. Marathi. 14. Nepali. 15. Oriya. 16. Punjabi. 17. Sanskrit. 18. Santhali. 19. Sindhi. 20. Tamil. 21. Telugu. 22. Urdu.

Tripathiji,

What is the point you are trying to prove? Are you trying to say that:

1) It is ONLY Hindi that has historical background or place in India? Other languages can be pushed back into oblivion?

2) Just because Hindi for some appears to have some historical background(inflated or percieved) that makes it the national language. Following your logic and reasoning

a) Castism(discrimination and slavery to ensure that certain groups of the society are not free individuals)

b) Sati(finishing the identity of women as free individuals, thereby practically making them slaves to their husbands)

c) Dowry(silent way of saying, since women are not free individuals thus have no property rights in their parental home)

d) Child marriage(peodophillia legalised)

These had much greater role and impact in shaping our historical background and were  practised in every corner of the country. Should these also be made part of our national culture?

2) When you are quoting KM Munshi, are you saying that it is ONLY Hindi that is keeping the country together! The will of people has no place in keeping the country together! Other languages have no place to keep India together! Are you saying economy has no place to keep any country together? What a logic and reasoning and that too from an Advocate! Which language is helping run our economy? Which language gave the people of this country the ideas of Equality, Freedom and Liberty to break the shackes of slavery and ensured that Castism, Sati, Dowry and Child marriage need to be outlawed? Future of people lies in which language if they have to stay out of discrimination? Which language our Constitution was written in? Which language is giving us the light of science and technology?

"OWNING" and "USING" are not always the same thing.

We "USE" aeroplane to travel abroad & return, but after returning  we don't need it anymore. It is not necessary that we have to "OWN" a aeroplane to travel.

We "USE" bus to go to office or college (for the development of country) and return, but we don't have to "OWN" a bus for the development of country.

Same way is the English, we "USE" English to communicate (or development) all over the world but it is not necessary that we should "OWN" it too.

Debate is not between "owning" and "using". Do we own Castism, do we own Sati, do we own Dowry system, do we own Child marriage?

Moreover if someone is regularly "using" a car for his work, will he prefer to "own" a car or would he like to "own" a bullock cart so that he can "use" it for same work?

"USING" means "SPEAKING" or "COMMUNICATING" and "OWNING" means "NATIONAL LANGUAGE".

So i have replied bang on target of the topic of the thread -

We do not own castism, sati, dowry, child marriage, we use it for our own profits or other reasons.

Castism - For discrimation of lower castes.

Sati - It was earlier used, but now i think it doesn't exist.

Dowry - People use it for their own profits.

Child marriage - Lack of education or poverty.

Moreover, if someone is "USING" a "STOLEN" car, would he prefer to "OWN" it or stick with his two wheeler?

By the way, thread is on national language, then why are you talking about dowry.

What dowry has to do with English.

"Moreover, if someone is "USING" a "STOLEN" car, would he prefer to "OWN" it or stick with his two wheeler?"

Pesron who is already "USING" a "STOLEN" car, how likely is it that he is the real owner of two vehicle? And if you are trying to use this example with English as a language being "STOLEN" by Indians, then it is harsh on part of you. Indians are not thieves to have "STOLEN" a language rather they were given it as a gift and they have adopted it.

"By the way, thread is on national language, then why are you talking about dowry.What dowry has to do with English."

If you read the "justification provided by Tripathiji and my reply to it, you will be able to understand the context in which it has been used.

So far the question of National language is concerned even Courts have stated Hindi is not the National language.

The court said that the Constituent Assembly while discussing the Language Formula noticed the recommendation of the Sub-Committee on Fundamental Rights, which recommended the formula as per which, “Hindustani, written either in Devanagari or the Persian scriptt at the option of the citizen, shall, as the national language, be the first official language of the Union. English shall be the second official language for such period as the Union may, by law, determine.”

However, in the constitution, Hindi was declared as an official language and not a national language.

The court in its order said Part XVII of the Constitution deals with Official Language. Under Article 343, official language of the Union has been prescribed, which includes Hindi in Devanagari scriptt and English.

Reference: https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article94695.ece