DV against women

Bekaaar

A very good point brought forth by Roshni ji....something all the men had been praying for so long.....i.e, let the DV be made gender independent.

Roshni ji >> No man or woman would like to be beaten by there spouse or in-laws and neither would anyone want to sit in a dharna.....Only if some well educated woman can convince the judiciary...to Make DV Act gender independent


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For justice and dignity

thanks andy

referring to saurabh's sentences,one more thing crossed me.in almost all indian families, a man is expected to do his duty of sending a part of his salary to his parents, even if they get pension,and even if they have enough money.it is considered his sacred duty.

 

if they ask for it,it's not termed as extortion;rather their right.but if a separated wife wants money,it's termed extortion and that she shud earn herself.so why dont parents getting pension stop expecting money from their son?why dont they lead their lives with this pension?why dont these sons see it as extortion?

 
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Bekaaar

Roshini Ji >> Earning son/daughter giving money to their parent is thing of the past these days in India as well....if India is aping the west on all aspects, I believe, our laws should also be more westernized, where DV act is gender neutral.

Ofcourse, if the spouses are living seperated on consent, its the duty of the earning spouse to take care of the other one, but, what if one spouse on false allegations, tries to extort money from the other earning member ??

Infact the trend in India is...the money of a working woman is her parents....and the money of the working man is to be devided amongst her family, his family, himself, herself...why is that so ?

 
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@Roshni

 

Firstly, we are not talking about exceptions but reality. How many cases are lodged by males, claiming that they were beaten by their in-laws?? I think cases filed by males would be merely 10 out of 1000. So your earlier comment is baseless and only gives a femenist view not neutral. Moreover, how many different laws are legally available to men and how many are available to women? I think while answering this, your intellect shall be satiated as who is torturing whom and what is cruel!

 

Regarding you second comment, parents have a sacred relation with their child and they are the ones who brought up the boy since when he did not knew how to speak or how to take care of himself. Also they gave him this life and made it worth living and enjoying and finally marrying a girl. So comparing "parents" with "wife" is foolishness and certainly only a wicked mind could try to compare them.

 

Wife enters the life of a man when he is standing on his feet and capable of taking decisions of his own. When parents demand support, they really need it as they are old. How many cases can you count for me where wife is above 60 and claiming maintenance?? How can you compare maintenance of age-old parents who are dependent on mere sum of pension than the young lady who has full fledge income??? Abhorrent!!

Alas!! You can bring your own name to justice being in the dark of feminism. Promote equality, promote peace!!

 

@Andy...

Thanks for your neutral views. I appreciate your unbiased thinking and concern towards elders.

 

//peace

/Saurabh.V


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Business

 

Does Parents registering false 498a? 

Does Parents registering false Domestic Violence?

Parents are 60 years age, Wife is 30 years age - does both are same?

Wife (women) has 33% quota + they can competent with other 67 quota also as normal - does parents has?

Parents are almost tired doing the job, does wife is tired?

Giving to Parents is nothing but the duty. When I was in childhood, they had taken care of me. They spend money to give good education, good dress, good food etc., It is my turn to take care of my parents.

But if the unmarried lady termed as Wife, she became owner of the married man. She got every rights even to destroy the full family also. She will leave at home after some days or month – how come she is eligible to get money?

Does anyone refusing to pay maintenance for their child?

 
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Engineering

Yes, DV is applicable on all relatives of the husband. Here it does not differentiate between genders.

But there is a twist in the story here : "There can b no orders passed against any females under DV ACt." So, the females of husband's family are made parties just to humiliate and harass them and to pressurize the males of their families.

If any of your family members had a separate household when your wife lived with you, then those will not be covered in DV. So, domestic relationship is all that matters, not gender or violence!

 
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sse

hi

1. is it true that "There can b no orders passed against any females under DV ACt." 

can any one give any examples of cases .

 

2. also my wife has included my sister in complaint although she was studying in different city.

 my sister was not in any domestic relationship with my wife as not living together ,so can DV apply

 
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HASEENA MIL JAYEGEE!!!

saurabh

talkinng about 498A or DV has no ending and arguement.

I want to tell you 

 

Regarding you second comment, parents have a sacred relation with their child and they are the ones who brought up the boy since when he did not knew how to speak or how to take care of himself. Also they gave him this life and made it worth living and enjoying and finally marrying a girl. So comparing "parents" with "wife" is foolishness and certainly only a wicked mind could try to compare them.

Saurabh, not only boys , girls are also brought up by parents.But the difference is that girls  are prepared to get ready to serve, and obey some new people after marriage.Girls are taught to respect parents in law as their own parent.But parents in law never accept her as own daughter.Rather they think the bride has taken their son away from them.A daughter in law has to serve in-laws more than their daughter.But do they allow their son to take care of his in  laws like a son??

No,no no 

in such cases he become a HENPACKED HUSBAND!Why so???


 

 

 

Wife enters the life of a man when he is standing on his feet and capable of taking decisions of his own. When parents demand support, they really need it as they are old. How many cases can you count for me where wife is above 60 and claiming maintenance?? How can you compare maintenance of age-old parents who are dependent on mere sum of pension than the young lady who has full fledge income??? Abhorrent!!

Alas!! You can bring your own name to justice being in the dark of feminism. Promote equality, promote peace!!


A male or female both need each other.that is why the institution of marriage is there.A parent's/sister/son/brother /daughter relation far differernt than that of husband/wife relation.

A husband or wife(vice versa) relation is not connected with  blood yet they share everything what he/she cant share with her/his parent's/sister/son/brother /daughter.

Neither wife has right to claim husbands money without any cause nor the husband has

 any right to beat wife for money or leave her for a new girlfriend.

If Sec 497 is amended then 50% of lodging of 498A will get reduced.Because when husband beat wife whatevr the cause may be (extra marrital or dowry) if wife files an FIR then it automatically goes to 498A category. 



In running the case in the court, if husband cries once before wife that he would not beat her anymore/love her/maintain her/would not keep any relation with his k**p then she forgets everything that happenned in the past and leaves fighting the case.Thus husband wins the case..thus it becomes to a false 498A!!(I am not a lawyer, but one of my good friend is a family court lawyer.sometime I visit her chamber.Many poor women come to her with complaints of their husband.I wrote the para from experiences in her chamber.)


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Fighter Hiya !!!

@ Non feminist ,

 

Madam , you are still giving a feminist point of view on the subject . There are many many cases where woman is not even staying with her in laws but yet accusses her in -laws of cruality . what about those cases ?? False accusitions on anyone and damaging a person's social image .. is that not crueality ??? You have mentioned relationship with k**p ........ why does a keep being a woman enters such relationships and what if a woman has an extramarital affair and just too hide her own sins she is accusing her husbands ??

If she has responsability towards her parents she is OPEN to support them with her OWN income ...... why she tax her in-laws to financially suppport her family ...... has she ever given any financial support to her in-laws ever ???? What if husband is in finacial trouble ..... does he have any tool like 498a or DV act to implicate his wife like womans do ???? The fact is that .....A MAN IS HELPLESS ....... without any legal option but to either commit suicide or to accept the injustice ....

I would suggest you to read a book Venus - the dark side  .......... and forget about your own s*x for a moment ...... In today's world women are not at all deprived of anything and have got equal opportunity in all fields ....... Why can't a women prove her capability and intelligence by competeing and why is she looking other means to be rich quickly ??

REMEMBER : A WOMAN OF QUALITY UNDERSTANDS GENDER EQUALITY !!!

Law should make sure only guilty is punished and not innocent people ...  An example will be Kaniamozi who apart from being a woman has done a scam like this ........ Madam it is not about s*x but everyone should be treated equally irerespective of caste , creed or SEX ....

Today you may be supporting gender-bias but may be tomorrow when you will grow old and will be implicated by your so-called daughter -in-law without even doing anything wrong ........ you will realise !!  A person who is facing the fire can only feel the heat and not those who are standing outside seeing the other person burning ........   

Even judiciary ( Supreme court ) has termed it as LEGAL TERRORISM as 98% of such cases are found to be false after the trials ... can you justify this figure ??? 

 
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@nonfeminist

 

Your view doesnt compliment you profile name :P

 

Now coming to your view points one by one.

 

 

Saurabh, not only boys , girls are also brought up by parents.But the difference is that girls are prepared to get ready to serve, and obey some new people after marriage.Girls are taught to respect parents in law as their own parent.But parents in law never accept her as own daughter.Rather they think the bride has taken their son away from them.A daughter in law has to serve in-laws more than their daughter.But do they allow their son to take care of his in laws like a son??

No,no no in such cases he become a HENPACKED HUSBAND!Why so???

 

This form-topic is leading the discussion to the point, that when parents of the boy can demand maintenance then why can't wife claim the same? But candidly without answering to this question you totally diverted the discusion to the poor condition of a girl in general. Let's try to stick to the concerned topic.

 

Now, regarding your view-point, any human in this world is brought up as per traditions and culture prevalent in his/her locality. In India, a girl is pressumed to live with her in-laws after her marriage. Now should we not teach her to respect the in-laws with whom she would live? Had she continued to live with her parents being unmarried, wouldn't she respect them? The story would have been different, if the boy would go and live with his wife in her house with his in-laws (ghar-jamai). Certainly he respects them even when he is at his home and not a ghar-jamai. But this respect and concern would increase if he is a "ghar-jamai". Why? Answer is simple. Take an example of office. In office, it doesn't matter if you like your boss or not. But you have to compulsarily respect and obey your boss. If you disrespect your boss, certainly when you need support he will not support you. Similarly, in a home, when you don't respect the members of your family, why would they support you? That is why special words are passed to the ears of the girl to respect the parents-in-law. It is for her own good. I hope you agree with me!!

 

Also, I hope you understood why a boy need not specially do something for his in-laws, as he do not live with them. But this position does not stops him to respect them. Respecting elders is the tradition which is taught to every child irrespective of gender.

 

Your assumption is fallacious that in-laws never accepts their daughter-in-law and are always against her. Though there are many cases in which there are certain brutality on the daughter-in-law and I strongly condemn them. But generalizing, that a daughter-in-law is always victimized, is wrong.

 

I can understand your position as you have seen cases in the court and you feel emotionally pity of the poor women. However, that is one case or may be you would have seen only the genuine cases of women. Had you come across the false cases filed by a woman against her husband and in-laws, you would have certainly not made these comments. I always stand with the one who deserves to be heard and who deserves justice. I agree that not all cases of 498A are false. But my fight is against this Govt. who has failed to provide proper utility of the family laws. I have always observed that those women who desperately need help, are mostly left unheard and left devastated. But those tricky and mean women who are gold-diggers (as I call them as), very easily misuse these laws. That's the tragedy of these laws. And this has left people like you fighting with others, because you only see one side of the story.

 

Matrimony is very complicated yet simplest institution. If we (both men & women) understand our responsibilities and unconditionally agree to fulfil them, I strongly feel, that there could never be any case under 498A, DV Act etc.

 

//peace

/Saurabh.V

 
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