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Do matrimonial laws REALLY FAVOR WOMEN?

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(Guest)

I thought we all will have some REST now but OK I will try again

TWO EYES
 
Do you know the relation between two eyes?

They never see each other....... ... BUT


- They blink together

- They move together

- They cry together

- They see things together

- They sleep together

- They share a very deep bonded relationship

However, when they see a woman, one will blink and another will not.

Moral of the story:

Women can break any kind of relationship!

PS.: It is a compliment not remark BTW.
 

Arup (UNEMPLOYED)     31 July 2010

In continuation to the above story, one detective started searching the above two eyes, and found that – it was an eyes of a man.

He started searching again and found surprisingly, another pair of eyes, - of which, both are blinking. The detective started searching the reason and again found surprisingly that a man responsible for it.

Moral of this story:-

Women can break any kind of relationship!

But a man breaks ALL RELATIONSHIP INCLUDING HER IDENTITY.

Anil Agrawal (Retired)     31 July 2010

Dear Dr.

Are you talking about the chameleon?


(Guest)

No Sir,

I am talking about the society undergoing transition where un-educated women having not much knowledge of Laws meant to protect them are one eye and take it as their customs and the urban women being educated and empowered knowing about the same Laws are experimenting through the other eye of the same society thus a society (generic) is sure undergoing great amount of transition so to speak.

It is a good post, wish it would have been posted as two seperate posts one for rural women (Do family law favor rural women) and another for empowered urban women (Do family law favor urban women) just like two eyes always together but one eye sees something else than the other eye which is meant not to be so becuase two eyes make a complete person.

Rgds

Bhartiya No. 1 (Nationalist)     01 August 2010

I have come across more than 100 cases in and around me, in which either (some of) bride have been killed rather murdered brutally or have committed suicides. And in most of the cases accused are out and have remarried again enjoying their life. Conviction is rare and courtesy goes to our society, Police and legal system. Also I know a person who forced his wife to commit suicide, remarried again and to second wife also, he forced to commit suicide, irony is that in spite of all these he has not spent even an hour in jail forget about conviction, he is a lawyer by profession. Even no case has been lodged against him by fathers’ of the deceased. Most of the husbands like that kind of FILs.  Even some lawyers claim/boast that they can obtain divorce within six months, and will tell all the procedure, condition is that they charges hefty amount, they used to have setting everywhere.

 So how the law is favoring women, and if it is true then why these incidence are happening? Are some men are not misusing the law, and getting out thru’ the loopholes? Are they not be held responsible for making these laws a failure?

 So, what and which kind of harassment u guys are talking about? Is it not u r crying foul? Just see the conviction rate. The ultimate losers used to be a woman.

"The social stigma attached to unmarried women and divorced women are so strong that most parents would rather see their daughter’s dead then to have them get a divorce and return permanently to the parental home". The bride-murderer may also be offered subsequent siblings by the dead girl's family because the siblings are often black marked and difficult to marry off. This alone is evidence of the utter helplessness of these families and their children. “

If some of them charge or abuses that the man is “impotent”, and then it is like red chili, what about the bad/hurting comments being passed on women? What u do is best and what some of them does is worst or not at par with the standards set for them? Do not forget that it their rigorous hardship that we r 1.2 billion today, rather have seen and enjoying life.

Some says that Female infanticide (killing of girl infants) or female foeticide is a different issue, but they have narrowed their thinking, and the fact is abuse of the dowry tradition and matrimonial difficulties have been one of the main reasons for s*x-selective abortions and female infanticides in India.

To some there is a problem that women do not adjust with and entertain all in laws, but why don’t they adjust according to her?

You must be the change you want to see in the world.  Mahatma Gandhi

Mahatma Gandhi -. According to him women should be liberated from the slavery of kitchen only then their true potential could be realized. He said that responsibility of household is important for women but it should not be the only one. In fact she should come forward to share the responsibilities of nation.

“I first learned the concepts of non-violence in my marriage.” Mahatma Gandhi

Laws always supports weaker section, be it bonded labor, SC/STs, and downtrodden etc. It is the humanity which matters more, and these are related with social cause and are a human issue, which cannot be addressed by the laws. It is our attitude, behavior and psyche which need changes. We must change as per the need of society. 

The war must be between good and evil or between right and wrong .But hatred against women is being spread in this forum, trifles and trivial matters are being discussed at length, and exceptions are being over highlighted and discussed. All imaginary, one sided and wrong materials are being posted to malign the image of women of this country.

But truth is otherwise, still Indian women are considered as of high moral values, more virtuous, and loyal etc. Everybody wish to marry an Indian woman.

Even there is a popular saying that “life is heaven with Indian Wife, American Salary, A House in Europe, and Chinese Cuisine”.

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Anil Agrawal (Retired)     01 August 2010

It is a one sided story.


(Guest)

no surprise , these are comments of a man who make their living by these means . they are just blind to other side of coin. they cannot see that law machinery is being misused in 95% of cases for satisfying personal ego/ extortion.


(Guest)

@ Ashutosh

Good that you have 100 cases of women in and around you. I am based in Delhi and my work relates to gender biasness in Family Law and neither I am with harassed husbands nor with harassed women victims I am only against the gender biasness in Family Law.


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I openly invite you to come to Delhi and meet me with signatures and names/ address of these 100 women victims since you say they are known to you and these 100 women are in and around you. I will file PIL on behalf of your these 100 women and let us get them justice I suppose this is what you too might also be looking for them right ?. I don't charge a cent for these work so chill pill.


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Now, before coming to Delhi just email me respective FIR No's. / city name / district name of these 100 women (I suppose at one point of time some FIR is definitely filed by them or by their family - right) I have access to FIR database kept by PS in various districts of victims of Family Law (both genders) and before you come to Delhi I can tell you how many of these 100 cases are actually even FIRed so the real data of PIL will emerge as well as real datas of your above post will be out and then we will sit and talk and make an PIL and try our best to get them Justice.


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I will plead as Party in person and since your writings here suggest you know equally well of these gender Laws so you can join me as party in person. We both will not need Harish Salve or Prashant Bhushan so to speak here and let us save money on them bze these 100 women are anyhow sufferers as you say so why even ask money from them for PIL drafting / respondent copies / paper book, we both will pool in our money and let us get atleast these 100 women Justice so that you can atleast say that Family law really favoured 100 women and for rest let us keep it that way that these Laws do not favor them.


Agreed !

Rgds.

Arup (UNEMPLOYED)     01 August 2010

reply mr Ashutosh
 

it is an open challenge to you from mr arun.

i have no doubt that - you are lying in this respect  (REG your 100 cases).

now a days it is a fashion to stand in favour of woman.

a few women may be tortured by men, but that does not mean that all shouted women are innocent.

Bhartiya No. 1 (Nationalist)     02 August 2010

Some facts & picture of dowry abuse, burns, and deaths,. Which some will say it is one sided forged..

 

 

 

 

 


(Guest)

Mr. Prabhakar

Quoting from your post 30 - 07 2010 @ 22.07 hrs. "Next, our parliament passed "suppression of immoral traffic Act".  But every one knows, even in the smallest of small village, one can procure a woman for money. About female feticide.  Even though it is illegal, not even a single prosecution has happened since passage of the Act."

My request to your kind self is not to make any women (Rural / Urban) so cheap ! As you are aware I live in
Delhi and I think you are also putting up in Delhi. Coming weekend I will sponsor a drive to say Dhauj Village in Pali District which is 1-1/2 hrs. drive away form Delhi and I will give you the money too and show me if a village women from this Pali village comes so easily ! Forget this you name a village 1-2 hrs. drive away from Delhi. let us do it Sir.

Sir, women are vulnerable understood that much,  but kindly don't make them look and feel so cheap too that you say "every one knows even a smallest of small village one can procure a women" had it been so then India is made up of 68% villages and every village will be prostitution fort so to say.....I wonder who is paying you to bring up such remarks for village women and justify Immortal Trafficking of Women Act.

I respect you and know that you look after the family law interest of women it is good someone needs to look after a particular gender but even with your above remarks my respect will not change for you because I respect a professional, but to me your above remarks is not the right justification for a women's self esteem be it from village or from urban India. That means when Ranjana Kumari says that it is ok for 2-3 % of urban Indian women to go into prostitution as profession and earn for an hour US$ 460/- so looks to me that you are comfortable with this exercising empowerment also the que. arise is, why you are justifying Immortal Trafficking of Women Act then. There are high profile female escorts coming from CIS countries regularly to India they are obviously trafficated so why you need this Act for whom only for village women's what Justification we can come up in favor of women wow ? These are nothing but propaganda and confusing the women more.

Bravo....

About your propaganda on Female Feticide read next post now….

Rgds. 

Bhartiya No. 1 (Nationalist)     02 August 2010

For some one, It is PWDVA Interpreted matters more than humanity. These are crooked ones. and some wants valid proofs, it seems that legal battle is going on

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(Guest)

HOW DO U SAY THESE Are pictures of women affected by domestic violence. i feel these are pictures from google images of victims of natural accidentsand in one pic even a tantrik can be seen treating a case of anorexia nervosa . i can similarly give u 100 s of burnt men pictures. how will u prove they were not victims of domestic violence by their wives. as for dowry death stats any unnatural death within 7 yrs of marriage is presumed to be dowry death by biased laws and greedy lady's parents . and conviction in these cases is hardly 5%. men are being burnt by greedy wives all over india. can u answer what is the probability of a women aged 20 to 35 to die of a natural death. multiply the probability with population of women aged bet 20 to 35 yrs, it equals the number of ur dowry deaths. it proves they are dying natural death.


(Guest)

Mr. Prabhakar

Quoting from your post 30 - 07 2010 @ 22.07 hrs. ".........About female feticide. Even though it is illegal, not even a single prosecution has happened since passage of the Act."


Now-a-days you will not see a single week without an article about female feticide in Indian dailies and magazines. Center for Social Research (CSR) in its annual report says ‘Family tradition and dowry system emerged as the two major causes of female feticides’. This quote is one of the favorites of Indian feminazis as well. Here is a common man’s arm-chair research and analysis about this issue based on the available historical census data of India in comparison with two other countries China and USA.

Graph given below shows the s*x ratio of India from 1901 till 2001 as in CSR annual report which startled me and triggered this analysis.

Indeed it is a steady decline in the number of women over the period of hundred years. Obviously it gave birth to umpteen questions in my mind. The one that dominates every other question was

“What is the ideal s*x ratio?”

But I couldn’t find any realistic answer for that. Anyone can say 1:1, but is that some where close to reality? Will it be sane to say at a given date and time the number of girls and boys on a particular geographical region will be equal if there is no s*x selective abortion? Do we have any mechanism to find the exact figure at the given point in time? Absolutely NOT. I know the whole extended family of Pythagoras will stand up and say, ‘hey I have a formula to figure that out’.

Usually s*x ratio is determined either based on the actual population or by cohort method. To me either of these methods doesn’t seem fit to come to a conclusion because the so called missing females may be due to take birth the next day of census.

Still I tried to understand why the graph above looks so pathetic. To get a deeper understanding lets take a wider look at the whole scenario.

This is the data for the same period of time showing the population as a whole along with total number of men and women according to each census. I assume you would have noticed the remarkable difference in number of men and women started in early or mid 60s. Until then the graph goes neck to neck though women were slightly less in number.

My point is, if we take the conclusion of CSR in its face value, i.e., family tradition and dowry system are the major cause of female feticides, then why is the number of females less during the first half of the century when we didn’t have any available s*x determination technologies? I know CSR and feminazis are going to play the different card, ‘female infanticide’ and ‘dowry death’.

Before we try to digest that theory lets compare our population trend with that of United States of America. The reason why I chose USA is because it is pretty diverse with multi-ethnic as well as multi-racial communities; hence there are no social structures which may influence everyone.

Does that make your eyes wide open to see the same trend in early or mid sixties on the graph? But here the number of males came down after 1960! Except during the American civil war (1861–1865), which resulted in massive death of men, the number women were less than the number of men; not to mention the fact that men outnumbered women consistently through out 19th century!

Apparently, the s*x ratio was similar or even lower than that of India mostly in 19th century and even during early decades of 20th century.

Was there a remote chance of dowry or family tradition in order to make this happen?

Why do we need Herculean formulas made out of thin air to prove something that doesn’t exist? Well, I’m leaving those questions to the readers.

Now the most conspicuous question is

what was the reason for the significant imbalance in the s*x ratio from 1960 onwards world wide?

One who believes it is because of the selective killing of female fetus in India should also be willing to believe there was selective killing of male fetus in USA.

Obliviously or intentionally, CSR and all other international agencies that fund for the female feticide campaign, brushed the fact “Family Planning” under the carpet. It was by the end of fifties, countries around the globe started promoting birth control techniques like condoms and pills, which evidently have made severe damage to the natural balance in s*x ratio. Remember, there were no prenatal s*x determination techniques during the sixties; even in the present century these sophisticated technologies are affordable only to the rich. Further more the earlier methodologies used for prenatal s*x determination require the fetus to be at least 16 to 20 weeks old in order to get accurate results! At that stage abortion is almost impossible or at the high risk of mother’s life. Such incidents of mass death of women due to abortions were never reported either in India or China.

Historical census data of China is not internationally accepted due to misreporting of birth; more over they started taking census only by 1953. But considering the huge population, the one child policy (publicly announced in 1979), and its strict enforcement should be a valid reason for the imbalance in their s*x ratio if such an imbalance ever existed. Still history asserts that 94 females for 100 men (as per 2008 data), is not an alarming ratio. Simply blaming on son preference, patrilenial social structure and dowry system seems to be very cheap and low grade remarks to achieve devious goals.

Source: https://prassoon.instablogs.com/entry/female-feticide-a-mysterious-propaganda/#ixzz0vNtzk72L

 


(Guest)

Ashutosh I noticed you are found of wiki so here is an ode to your own wiki

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotypes_of_South_Asians

 


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