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abhimanyu
(Querist) 14 September 2016
This query is : Resolved
A husband and his mother shunted out wife from her matrimonial home and are not prepared to allow her to enter the house for many months. She came to her parents home at that time without much resistance thinking that situation will improve after some time. But, all requests of the wife to husband and mother-in-law through telephone, e-mails and speed posts to take her home or allow her to enter her matrimonial home have been turned down by them. As long time has passed, wife has decided now to suddenly enter her matrimonial home herself without informing husband/mother-in-law and to live there even if they do not talk to her.
Please advise what action husband and mother-in-law can take against her for sudden entry in her matrimonial home after many months.
Raj Kumar Makkad
(Expert) 14 September 2016
How you are concerned with the query?
Wife has a right to live in her house. Let the husband and his other family members initiate any adverse action against her. She is free to take shelter of police authorities in that event.
Guest
(Expert) 14 September 2016
Academic query!
What is your concern with the problem of husband wife?
abhimanyu
(Querist) 15 September 2016
Mr. Dhingra,
1. From which side the query appears to be academic to you? Let dictionary be consulted to see the meaning of "academic".
2. How does my concern with the problem is linked with experts entertaining the query. The concern may be as a social worker also.
Guest
(Expert) 15 September 2016
Mr. Abhimanyu,
Don't try to teach me ABC. All your prvious queries had been of academic nature. Can you count on which query of yours pertained to your personal problem?
For your information, I prefer to provide solutions only to the really suffering people, not even the middlemen.
For your urther information, I don't prefer to hold tutrials for students or middlemen.
As you stated, you are a social worker, on what ground should I believe that you can be a social worker, not a student? Ever since your registration with the LCI for the last more than three and half years, you have not provided your true identity in your profile. That states about you as, "NIL" and "I will be updating it soon" So, where is the question of believing your statement?
If you think, you have posted your question for guidance before idiots, you nay think about your own position also, what you can be in that case.
abhimanyu
(Querist) 15 September 2016
Mr. Dhingra,
Please do not get excited. Ignore this query and utilise your precious time in queries of "really suffering people".
Guest
(Expert) 15 September 2016
Thanks for your instructions, Mr. Abhimany.
I am not excited, but disheartened to note the quality of the prospective lawyers that they prefer to become without concentrating on their course modules and related law books and seek 100% spoon feeding from LCI members, thather than arriving at their own opinions for getting that reviewed in real sense from the experts.
You really don't deserve my advice.
Best of luck !!!!!!!!!!!
abhimanyu
(Querist) 15 September 2016
Mr. Dhingra,
Your above response had earlier three paras only to which I gave my response. But you have been going on modifying your response and have added two paras more, where in the last para you have used the word “Idiots”. Is this fair?
Later on, you have given one more separate response.
You are right, I do not deserve your advice.
Raj Kumar Makkad
(Expert) 15 September 2016
If a querist is a social worker and raises a query on behalf of any other person who is incapable to do so even then the author is required to mention his status qua that query. Neither this site pay even a single penny to either of the experts nor we expect from authors. We make only charity but with intention to provide our legal expertise to really needy persons.
We someone misuses the purpose then the replies of Ld. Dhingra shall only reciprocate him.
Guest
(Expert) 15 September 2016
Mr. Abhimanyu,
What do you know about the fairness, when you don't have any ettiquette how to address the members from whom you expect help, guidance or advice?
You may re-read the sentence to interpret what I said, if you think about experts from whom you expect help that too by misuse of the facility at our cost by falsely posing to be a social worker.
If you have even a slight spirit of social work, try to serve the public at your own cost, like the experts, who spend their precious time & money in acquisition of knowledge, infrastructure to serve the really needy people. But, you like people try only to misuse the facility.
Do, spend some money to pay fee to some local lawyer to take his help to serve the people, if you are really a social worker. Otherwise what type of social service you are doing?
abhimanyu
(Querist) 15 September 2016
Makkad Sir,
You had very kindly, at the first instance, replied the query for which I am highly grateful.
It needs to be appreciated that this esteemed LAWYERSCLUBINDIA is providing opportunity to public to raise queries free of cost but also does not bind any expert to reply the query. On the other hand, people raise queries about their respective problems only to seek advice/guidance from experts to adopt best course of action. So, why grudge from any side for any query raised by any body.
Now, as far as the instant query is concerned,
1. what has been felt to be "academic". This is a real life problem being faced?
2. what purpose has been misused by my raising this query and Makkad’s Sir providing his worthy advice?
3. how concern (with the wife/husband ) of the person, who raises this query, affects LAWYERSCLUBINDIA or the concerned Expert entertaining the query (which he otherwise has choice to entertain or not?
abhimanyu
(Querist) 15 September 2016
Mr. Dhingra,
With reference to your remarks above, a pertinent question arises “Does it suit an expert at this esteemed LAWYERSCLUBINDIA” to be unnecessarily aggressive?”
abhimanyu
(Querist) 15 September 2016
FOR
ADMINISTRATOR
LAWYERSCLUBINDIA
Please inform where guidelines with respect to raising queries at this Forum are Available.
Guest
(Expert) 15 September 2016
Mr. Abhimany,
Contrary to your question, a pertimnent question arises, does it morally suit you to make attempt to befool the members, with your false presentations and false identity, from whom you intended to seek help?
Guest
(Expert) 15 September 2016
Besides your earlier question to the administrator, you may also ask whether a querist should ethically be expected to present himself with his false identity.
abhimanyu
(Querist) 15 September 2016
Mr. Dhingra,
Your remarks and suggestions are uncalled-for and atrocious. I reiterate, I do not deserve your advice.
Raj Kumar Makkad
(Expert) 15 September 2016
It seems that some persons instead of availing legal knowledge from law books or elsewhere, try to adopt easy way to put their problem coming in their study or just for time=pass before the experts here, though experts can't be forced to reply every query but active experts try to devote their valuable time in attending it. Had that time been devoted to a needy person having no resources and/or being cheated in the hands of system or persons or having no knowledge how to move ahead then it shall be the real service of innocent masses which is the real intention of we experts.
Sharing knowledge free for all at our own cost and expenses is not really my purpose as I am not having such knowledge of law to share it to alleged social workers but definitely have a working knowledge to guide poor and needy persons who straightway come forward and say that this is my real problem and what should I do.
I think poor, needy, innocent, sufferers persons having no resources are only entitled to avail this charity of advice from the experts which may include alleged social worker if he also finds himself in either of these categories.
Accepting charity is also not so easy.
Guest
(Expert) 16 September 2016
Mr. Abhimany,
Thank God, with your own statment, "I reiterate, I do not deserve your advice," you have admitted your unworthiness of getting my advice.
abhimanyu
(Querist) 17 September 2016
Makkad Sir,
At the outset, I must say that I have highest regard for you. However, I am failing to resist myself from thinking how has an expert of your stature come under the influence of Mr. Dhingra so easily and reacted in this manner? I strongly feel it was expected to be checked /thought of first as to
1. how much charity Mr. Dhingra or for that matter any other expert on this site HAS DONE to Abhimanyu, that is the querist, IN THE LAST THREE YEARS REPEAT IN THE LAST THREE YEARS;
2. how much the querist can earn by getting advice on raising the instant query on behalf of a needy lady on this real life problem being faced by her (about which you have already very kindly given your advice).
As I have said earlier, it needs to be appreciated that this esteemed LAWYERSCLUBINDIA is providing opportunity to public to raise queries free of cost but also does not bind any expert to reply the query. On the other hand, people raise queries about their respective problems only to seek advice/guidance from experts to adopt best course of action. So, why grudge from any side for any query raised by any body.
Now, as far as the instant query is concerned,
1. what has been felt to be "academic", which is a real life problem being faced.
2. what purpose has been misused by my raising this query on behalf of a needy lady and Makkad Sir’s providing his worthy advice?
3. how concern (with the wife/husband ) of the person, who raises this query, affects LAWYERSCLUBINDIA or the concerned Expert entertaining the query (which he otherwise has choice to entertain or not?
abhimanyu
(Querist) 17 September 2016
Mr. Dhingra,
Unfortunately, you have failed to appreciate what actually was conveyed in my response “The concern may be as a social worker also”. in reply to your query “What is your concern with the problem of husband wife?” of which you have made a mountain out of a molehill and have given uncalled- for and squalid remarks and suggestions.
It is good that my response “I do not deserve your advice “in response to your comment “You really don't deserve my advice” has not been understood by you.
What is your qualification and experience (which you have avoided to mention in your profile on this site?
Please do not pose yourself on LAWYERSCLUBINDIA as Messiah of the "really suffering people" and in that guise besmirch my name unnecessarily.
abhimanyu
(Querist) 17 September 2016
FOR
ADMINISTRATOR
LAWYERSCLUBINDIA
Waiting for your reply to my earlier request to please inform where guidelines with respect to raising queries at this Forum are Available.
Guest
(Expert) 17 September 2016
Nr. Abhimany,
The first and foremost thing is that knowledge cannot be gained by arrogance, which you have plenty in you.
Secondly, what is the guarantee that you are a social worker and asking the question in the interest of the needy couple, but not to misuse that for your own interest? So, it is not a question of earning anything by the querist, but a question of intetion, whether the knowledge gained by him is not expected to be misused for doing harm to someone else.
Thirdly, if you don't know the simple meaning of the term "academic", how anyone can expect that you know the real meaning of the term "deserve?"
Fourthly, if a querist hides facts and some members wishes to help him, he also has the right to ask clarification from the querist.
Fourthly, if the LCI allowed to you to ask a question, the LCI has not put any ban on the members to question the querist to know whether he does not intend to use the knowledge of experts to harm interests of someone else.
Fifthly, if a single undeserving person has been refused to be allowed charity that does not become yardstick for that undeserving querist to raise any question about the member, while his compemporaies know well, what contributions that member has already made to help others.
Fifthly. a querist cannot be the judge of his own case, what to say of those members from whom he expects solution to a problem.
Sixthly, do you feel that I am answerable to you about my qualifications and experience and also do you think the the LCI registers any tom dick & harry in expert's panel, who registers for the panel?
ON THE WHOLE, YOU HAVE RAISED TOTALLY ABSURD QUESTIONS SO FAR. ALTHOUGH YOU DID NOT DESERVE ANY REPLY EVEN TO YOUR BASIC QUERY, YET SHRI RAJ KUMAR MAKKAD OBLIGED YOU WITH HIS REPLY IN GOOD FAITH WITHOUT YOUR CREDENTIALS AND RAISING QUESTION ON YOUR AUTHORITY TO ASK ANY QUESTION ON BEHALF OF A THIRD PARTY.
abhimanyu
(Querist) 20 September 2016
Mr. Goyal,
Your attention is invited to Lawyersclubindia's advice, which provides, inter alia, "Do not reply to threads with messages like I agree thanks, etc etc....Try to add value with your each post"
Kumar Doab
(Expert) 20 September 2016
Thread posted in Forum section at:
http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/Comments-142356.asp
Guest
(Expert) 20 September 2016
Dear Shri Goyal,
As of his habit, the querist is seemed to have added value to the thread by issuing his fresh direction, "Try to add value with your each post" for you, as if he is appointed as a teacher over the experts or as if he has his birth right to extract added value from one and all for his vague and hypothetical queries.
abhimanyu
(Querist) 20 September 2016
Mr. Doab,
You have informed above that
"Thread posted in Forum section at:
http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/Comments-142356.asp"
Sir, you will kindly appreciate that simply providing this information may cause misrepresentation (although I am sure you did not have any such intention at all) as the facts
(i) that link of this Experts' Column has been EXPLICITLY mentioned in Forum and
(ii) that comments have been sought WITH RESPECT TO HULLABALOO RAISED AND SOLIDARITY SHOWN BY EXPERTS AT THIS EXPERTS' COLUMN WITH RESPECT TO THE QUERY, WHICH HAS BEEN RAISED ON BEHALF OF A NEEDY WOMAN FACING A REAL LIFE PROBLEM
are also must for any body to understand the real position.
abhimanyu
(Querist) 20 September 2016
Mr. Dhingra,
Your flummoxing reaction above is proving true the famous maxim "Solidarity begets Solidarity"
Guest
(Expert) 21 September 2016
Mr. Abhimany,
That proves any maxim or not, unsolicited bossism and directions from the charity seekers should never be tolerated by charity givers.
Kumar Doab
(Expert) 21 September 2016
Author @ Abhimanyu,
You may reserve your PCN ( Pre Conceived Notions), SFP ( Self Fulfilling Professies), sermons, lectures for yourself alone.
You want to learn, know, help or whatever............try to find at your locations some counsels that provide free consultation hours for needy ones or even at subsidized charges for needy ones or do some social service or if there is none then alternative is paid consultation.
You may also try if Legal aid center office bearers are willing to counsel you.
Once you are confident that you are fully aware help others.
Or ask the needy woman or anyone else that has approached you to post their query here.
Like other gentle and humble authors/querists we will help them also.
Kumar Doab
(Expert) 21 September 2016
In Another thread initiated by Author @ Abhimanyu at:
http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/experts/facts-415791.asp
Senior Expert Shri Prabhakar Singh has pointed out that Senior Expert Shri V R Shroff has boycotted the
Author @ Abhimanyu……………..
“abhimanyu is a name boycotted by Mr.Shroff
and also that you always put academic professional queries.Change of AVATAR can not work unless you seek and Mr. Shroff pardons you.’
Guest
(Expert) 21 September 2016
Mr. Abhimany,
What you have to say about this latest fact, as revealed by Shri Kumar Doab and available on the link:
http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/experts/facts-415791.asp
Just think 10 times, if you deserve even a slightest of help from experts on account of your arrogance, which you showed in abundance at that thread also.
abhimanyu
(Querist) 21 September 2016
Mr. Doab,
It is good that you have dug out this aspect. However, here you have missed to point out my response to respected Mr. Prabhakar Singh at that time, which was “I am sure Respected Shroff Sir cannot bycott me."
I did not think it fit to drag this issue at that time although I wanted to know the base of Respected Prabhakar Sir’s making that statement since to my knowledge Respected Shroff Sir has nowhere said any such thing about me. At that time, in a lighter vein, I had in response also said to Respected Prabhakar Sir “I would also need your kind recommendation to Respected Shroff to pardon me, if I have committed any mistake."
Now that you have highlighted this issue, I request you to kindly take some more trouble to find out where Respected Senior Expert Mr. Shroff had boycotted my name.
If you are able to find out, please first inform Mr. Dhingra, who has asked me “What you have to say about this latest fact, as revealed by Shri Kumar Doab and available on the link: http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/experts/facts-415791.asp”
Guest
(Expert) 21 September 2016
You are doing nothing, except exposing more and more of yourself.
Kumar Doab
(Expert) 21 September 2016
Author @ Abhimanyu,
You will not tell anyone to do this or that.
You have unnecessarily argued in this and other thread with every senior expert and have remained volte faced without any merit or reason.
Expert Mr. Dhingra has participated in other thread also and would know that thread as well.
You confine to your posts.
You may reserve your PCN ( Pre Conceived Notions), SFP ( Self Fulfilling Professies), sermons, lectures for yourself alone.
You are unnecessarily arguing in this thread also although in this thread also senior Expert Mr. Raj Kumar Makkad as posted very precise and concise comments:
"Accepting charity is also not so easy."
Rajendra K Goyal
(Expert) 22 September 2016
Kumar Doab Sir,
Author preferred to litter the thread than to get problem solved.
You and P.S. Dhingra ji have tried, advised, but he seem to dictate his terms.
God bless him.
Kumar Doab
(Expert) 22 September 2016
Experts may look into following threads also, initiated by Author @ abhimanyu at:
http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/experts/facts-415791.asp
http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/Comments-142356.asp
Kumar Doab
(Expert) 22 September 2016
This is despite the well reasoned advises of Senior Experts to Author @ abhimanyu :
Senior Expert Mr. Prabhakar Singh has posted that:
“I would not welcome a query from an author who is not posed with a problem.”
“Unless you get free from stigma of Mr. VR Shroff,do anything you would not be answered otherwise you were enjoying my favor.”
Senior Expert Mr. Devajyoti Barman has posted that:
“I do not know why the author is still making post here which is of no good for him.
By this way you can not get your reply here.”
“I asked you to stop the discussion right now. I hope you understand what we all are meaning to say.
But you still feign ignorance and keep making posts one after another.”
Senior Expert Mr. Ajay Sethi has posted that:
“dhingraji is a senior expert. please do make any frivolous allegations against our senior experts .
we dont reply to academic queries . this is unanimous decision taken by experts”
Senior Expert Mr. R.K. Nanda has posted that:
“I fully agree with views of experts Dhingra Sir and Ajay Sethi. do not take experts for granted.Moreover, how much free legal advice u want from experts.”
Senior Expert Mr. Raj Kumar Makkad has posted that:
“I also do agree with Dhingra sir and Ajay.”
Rajendra K Goyal
(Expert) 24 September 2016
Expert Kumar Doab sir,
Good job, Thanks for hard work.
Guest
(Expert) 24 September 2016
I wonder, when he has already been exposed to that much extent by the experts for posting vague and hypothetical queries, what makes him continue with his venture.
Kumar Doab
(Expert) 24 September 2016
He is littering in Form section now.
The link is already given in this thread and also below:
http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/Comments-142356.asp
abhimanyu
(Querist) 25 September 2016
MR. REJENDRA K. GOYAL
WHAT A SOLIDARITY YOU HAVE SHOWN WITH MR. P.S. DHINGRA (IN THE PRESENT POST) AND MR. KUMAR DOAB!
YOU HAD EARLIER POSTED AS FOLLOWS!
“Author preferred to litter the thread than to get problem solved.
You and P.S. Dhingra ji have tried, advised, but he seem to dictate his terms.
God bless him.”
THEREAFTER, WHEN MR. KUMAR DOAB MISREPRESENTED AT THIS THREAD AS WELL AS ON THE OTHER LINK YOU GAVE HIM A PAT IN SOLIDARITY AS FOLLOWS
“Expert Kumar Doab sir,
Good job, Thanks for hard work.”
IN YOUR EARLIER POST YOU HAVE USED “LITTER” . “ADVISED” AND “DICTATE HIS TERMS”
LET IT BE KNOWN WHO HAS LITTERED THE THREAD. IN THIS REGARD, I QUOTE BELOW UNCALLED -FOR/ATROCIOUS/SQUALID REMARKS OF EXPERTS AND MY QUESTIONS:
A) MR. P.S. DHINGRA ( IN THE PRESENT POST) MADE FOLLOWING REMARKS ABOUT ME
1. Don't try to teach me ABC. All your previous queries had been of academic nature.
(MY QUESTION: WHAT IS THE BASIS OF MR DHINRA’S CLAIM THAT ALL MY QUERIES HAD BEEN OF ACADEMIC NATURE?
2. If you think, you have posted your question for guidance before idiots, you may think about your own position also, what you can be in that case.
(MY QUESTION : WHY MR. DHINGRA MADE DEROGATORY REMARKS ABOUT ME?
3. You really don't deserve my advice.
4. What do you know about the fairness, when you don't have any etiquette how to address the members from whom you expect help, guidance or advice?
(MY QUESTION: WHO GAVE MR DHINGRA RIGHT TO MAKE THESE SQUALID REMARKS AGAINST ME? HE NEEDS TO EXPLAIN HOW I HAVE ADDRESSED THE EXPERTS WHICH WOULD JUSTIFY HIS OBJECTIONABLE STATEMENT AGAINST ME THAT I DOT HAVE ANY ETIQUETTE.
5. If you have even a slight spirit of social work, try to serve the public at your own cost, like the experts, who spend their precious time & money in acquisition of knowledge, infrastructure to serve the really needy people. But, you like people try only to misuse the facility.
Do, spend some money to pay fee to some local lawyer to take his help to serve the people, if you are really a social worker. Otherwise what type of social service you are doing?
(MY QUESTIONS: DID MR. DHINGRA HAVE RIGHT TO MAKE DEROGATORY REMARKS ABOUT ME “But, you like people try only to misuse the facility.” BY POSING HIMSELF AS “THEKEDAAR” OF SERVING THE REALLY NEEDY PEOPLE? HOW MUCH CHARITY HAS HE DONE TO ME?
“Besides your earlier question to the administrator, you may also ask whether a querist should ethically be expected to present himself with his false identity.”
MY QUESTION: I RAISED A QUERY TO ADMINISTRATOR OF LAWYERSCLUBINIDA” Please inform where guidelines with respect to raising queries at this Forum are Available.” WHAT BUSINESS MR. DHINGRA HAD TO REACT THE WAY HE DID?
“what is the guarantee that you are a social worker and asking the question in the interest of the needy couple, but not to misuse that for your own interest? So, it is not a question of earning anything by the querist, but a question of intention, whether the knowledge gained by him is not expected to be misused for doing harm to someone else. “
if the LCI allowed to you to ask a question, the LCI has not put any ban on the members to question the querist to know whether he does not intend to use the knowledge of experts to harm interests of someone else.
MY QUESTIONS: (1) HOW DOES MR. DHINGRA NORMALLY SATISFY HIMSELF IN EACH CASE ABOUT THE question of intention, whether the knowledge gained by the person making the query is not expected to be misused for doing harm to someone else? (2) WHAT HARM TO OTHERS MR. DHINGRA IS TALKING ABOUT IN REGARD TO REPLYING THE QUERY IN QUESTION EVEN IF HE DOES NOT KNOW THE PERSON RAISING THE QUERY WHOSE PARTICULARS ARE AVAILABLE WITH THE LAWYERSCLUBINDIA. (WHILE GIVING ABOVE COMMENTS MR DHINGRA FORGOT THAT HE IS NOT UNDER ANY OBLIGATION TO REPLY ANY QUERY THUS WHERE IS THE QUESTION OF MAKING SUCH A HUE AND CRY ABOUT USE BY ANYBODY OF KNOWLEDHE GIVEN BY HIM TO HARM OTHERS).
“ON THE WHOLE, YOU HAVE RAISED TOTALLY ABSURD QUESTIONS SO FAR”
MY QUESTION: WHAT IS THE BASE OF THIS VAGUE PROVOCATIVE STATEMENT MADE BY MR. DHINGRA”
“What you have to say about this latest fact, as revealed by Shri Kumar Doab and available on the link:
http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/experts/facts-415791.asp
Just think 10 times, if you deserve even a slightest of help from experts on account of your arrogance, which you showed in abundance at that thread also.”
MY QUESTION: UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF MR. KUMAR DOAB, WHAT RIGHT MR. DHINGRA HAS GOT TO ADVISE ME LIKE THAT?
Mr P.S. Dhingra showed solidarity with Mr. Rajendra K. Goyal and wrote against me as follows:
“As of his habit, the querist is seemed to have added value to the thread by issuing his fresh direction, "Try to add value with your each post" for you, as if he is appointed as a teacher over the experts or as if he has his birth right to extract added value from one and all for his vague and hypothetical queries.”
MY QUESTION: WHAT RIGHT HAD MR. P.S. DHINGRA TO PROVOKE MR. GOYAL AGAINST ME OPENLY?
When you appreciated Misrepresentation of Mr. Kumar Doab in solidarity,and said “Expert Kumar Doab sir, Good job, Thanks for hard work.” Mr. P.S. Dhingra took no time in posting as follows about me:
I wonder, when he has already been exposed to that much extent by the experts for posting vague and hypothetical queries, what makes him continue with his venture.
Thereafter, Mr. P.S. Dhingra posted following on the FORUM , where I had sought COMMENTS WITH RESPECT TO HULLABALOO RAISED AND SOLIDARITY SHOWN BY EXPERTS AT THEIR COLUMN WITH RESPECT TO MY QUERY, WHICH HAD BEEN RAISED ON EXPERTS’ COLUMN ON BEHALF OF A NEEDY WOMAN FACING A REAL LIFE PROBLEM
“Further, the Forum members may like to see the whole of the episode available at the following link and decide how far he is honest in posting his queries, without having any concern with the issues:
http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/experts/experts_message_display.asp?group_id=616256
Not only that, if they try to have some more of his activities listed in his profile at the following link, they would find that the querist has raised only hypothetical querist without having any concern with those issues:
http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/stream/selfstream.asp?member_id=222216”
MY QUESTION: WHEN MR. DHINGRA HAS TAKEN ALL THE TROUBLE TO STOOP TO THIS LEVEL, WHY DOES HE NOT HAVE COURAGE TO EXPLAIN HOW ALL OF MY QUERIES REFERRED TO BY HIM ABOVE AS PER HIM ARE VAGUE AND HYPOTHETICAL?
MR. DHINGRA HAS POSED HIMSELF ON LAWYERSCLUBINDIA AS MESSIAH OF THE "REALLY SUFFERING PEOPLE" AND IN THAT GUISE BESMIRCHED MY NAME UNNECESSARILY.
MR DHINGRA HIMSELF HAS AVOIDED TO MENTION HIS QUALIFICATION AND EXPERIENCE IN HIS PROFILE ON THIS SITE BUT POISONED OTHER EXPERTS ABOUT MY PROFILE FORGETTING THAT I AM NOT AN EXPERT ON THIS SITE AND DO NOT HAVE ANY COMMERCIAL INTEREST.
B) MR. KUMAR DOAB’S EFFORTS TO CONTIMINATE MINDS OF EXPERTS AND DEFAME ME WITHOUT ANY RHYME AND REASON
Strangely, to the reasons best known to him, Mr. Kumar Doab without any provocation, entered the field, caused misrepresentation ( by quoting such sentences from other link as suited his convenience ) and besides reacting, gave pieces of advice resulting in contaminating minds of experts against me ( like Mr. P.S. Dhingra (not the one on this post) did on other link. I am separately writing to him, which you may also be able to read.
NOW I LEAVE IT TO THE JUDGEMENT OF OTHERS AS TO
1. “WHO HAS LITTERED THIS PARTICULAR THREAD”?
2. WITH REGARD TO THE STATEMENT OF MR. GOYAL “You and P.S. Dhingra ji have tried, advised, but he seem to dictate his terms.”, WHAT MR. P,S, DHINGRA AND KUMAR DOAB HAVE ADVISED ABOUT THE QUERY AND WHAT EXACT TERMS I HAVE DICTATED?
FURTHER, READERS MAY LIKE TO ASK MR GOEL, WHEN HE SIMPLY SITTING ON THE SIDELINE HAS ENJOYED SO MUCH SPREADING OF SLUDGE ON THIS THREAD AS WELL AS ON THE OTHER LINKS BY MR. P.S. DHINGRA AND MR. KUMAR DOAB, DOES HE NOT FEEL IT AS HIS DUTY TO AT LEAST EXPLAIN HOW THE PRESENT QUERY DUMPED BY MR. P.S. DHINGRA AS “ACADEMIC QUERY” IS "ACADEMIC".
abhimanyu
(Querist) 25 September 2016
MR. P.S. DHINGRA,
Why are you not able to stop yourself from making personal attacks against me?
abhimanyu
(Querist) 25 September 2016
MR. KUMAR DOAB,
BESIDES REACTING YOURSELF IN SOLIDARITY TO OTHER EXPERTS AND GIVING UNVITED PIECES OF ADVICE, YOU CAUSED MISREPRESENTATION ON THIS SITE, WHICH IS EVIDENT FROM THE FOLLOWING:
1. You have informed on this thread as follows:
"Thread posted in Forum section at:
http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/Comments-142356.asp"
By simply providing this information you caused misrepresentation as you had hidden the following facts, which were must for anybody to understand the real position:
(i) that link of this Experts' Column has been EXPLICITLY mentioned in Forum and
(ii) that comments (and not advice on the Query) have been sought by me on the Forum WITH RESPECT TO HULLABALOO RAISED AND SOLIDARITY SHOWN BY EXPERTS AT THIS EXPERTS' COLUMN WITH RESPECT TO THE QUERY, WHICH HAS BEEN RAISED ON BEHALF OF A NEEDY WOMAN FACING A REAL LIFE PROBLEM.
2. You PICKED UP sentences from the link http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/experts/facts- to suit your convenience and has CAUSED MISREPRESENTATION resulting in DEBAUCHING the minds of experts against me like Mr. P.S. Dhingra (not the one on this post) did on that link.
I am quoting below some sentences from my posts on that link, which will corroborate my above claim:
SENTENCES FROM MY RESPONSES TO THE ATTACK MADE ON ME BY EXPERTS ESPECIALLY MR P.S. DHINGRA ON the link http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/experts/facts
MY RESPONSES TO THE ATTACK MADE BY EXPERTS
“In the past also, generally, experts have sided with their counterparts and labelled genuine queries as Academic queries. My side has not been taken in any case whenever SHRI DHINGRA and any other expert has attacked me. “
“Shri Dhingra has not quoted complete line from my post in order to make my post contradictory.”
“Please appreciate there is no contradiction in my statements, as alleged by Shri Dhingra. Many Experts on this site have united and are labeling my queries as ACADEMIC…”
“I am at a loss to understand when Shri Dhingra is taking so much trouble of quoting various portions of my posts suiting his convenience, why he is avoiding quoting his uninvited/unprovoked derogatory comments made against me for no fault of mine as well as my respect giving apologies to all experts including him.”
STRAIGHTENING OF RECORDS /MY CLARIFICATIONS TO STATEMENTS PICKED UP BY MR. DOAB FROM THE OTHER LINK TO DEFAME ME
Let me clarify the Position below WITH RESPECT TO the link http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/experts/facts
Mr. Devajyoti Barman had very kindly replied my query raised in that post. However, Mr. Prabhakar Singh, to the reasons best known to him, wrote “abhimanyu is a name boycotted by Mr.Shroff…”
At that time I did not think it fit to drag this issue although I wanted to know the base of Mr. Prabhakar Sir’s making that statement. TO MY KNOWLEDGE SHROFF SIR HAS NOWHERE SAID ANY SUCH THING ABOUT ME. At that time, in a lighter vein, I had in my response also said to Prabhakar Sir “I am sure Respected Shroff Sir cannot bycott me. I would also need your kind recommendation to Respected Shroff to pardon me, if I have committed any mistake.”
This statement of Mr. Prabhakar Singh, however, made all experts against me and Mr. P.S. Dhingra (not the one on this post) , went all out against me. He own his own initiated ( i.e. without any communication from my side) his response, presuming that that I was a law student, and made following comments about me , which, WHETHER SUITED HIM OR NOT, IS LEFT TO THE JUDGEMENT OF,WHOSOEVER READS THIS POST.
Mr. P.S. Dhingra commented about me
I feel, after he completes his law course, he would prefer to start and continue with practice only by asking others to help even in general matters instead of devoting in his studies in law. If that is there, I wonder to guess, what will be the fate of his clients?
By quoting above remarks of Shri Dihingra, I posted as follows:
I AM WAITING FOR RESPONSE OF OTHER EXPERTS TO ABOVE DEROGATORY REMARKS AGAINST ME OF SHRI DHINGRA, who is in the habbit of posting provoking comments against me without any reason.
However, nobody came in my favour and rather Mr. P.S Dhingra further reacted with the result that I posted as follows:
In the past also, generally, experts have sided with their counterparts and labelled genuine queries as Academic queries. My side has not been taken in any case whenever SHRI DHINGRA and any other expert has attacked me. ……….. Further, I should have understood why other experts will take my side against their counterpart.
It is reiterated that the queries put on this forum have not been academic queries but problems being faced some by me, some by my relatives and some in my friends' circle.
Mr. Dhingra picked up sentences from my posts to suit his convenience and was successful in polluting minds of all experts against me. You have also tried to do the same otherwise YOU WOULD HAVE PICKED UP MY SIDE ALSO FROM THE LINK TO ENABLE READERS APPLY THEIR JUDGEMENT IN THE MATTER.
I THINK IT FIT TO STRAIGHTEN THE RECORDS AND SUBMIT BELOW THE CORRECT POSITION WITH RESPECT TO WHAT MR. KUMAR DOAB HAS PICKED UP FROM THAT LINK VIZ.
http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/experts/facts-
1. Senior Expert Mr. Prabhakar Singh has posted that:
“I would not welcome a query from an author who is not posed with a problem.”
“Unless you get free from stigma of Mr. VR Shroff,do anything you would not be answered otherwise you were enjoying my favor.”
MY RELPLY: I HAVE ALREADY CLARIFIED THE MATTER ABOVE. I REITERATE, TO MY KNOWLEDGE SHROFF SIR HAS NOWHERE SAID THAT “abhimanyu is a name boycotted by Mr.Shroff…” I DO NOT KNOW HOW Mr. Prabhakar Singh CLAIMED THAT. I SHALL BE HIGHLY GRATEFUL, IF SOMEBODY FINDS WHERE SHROFF SIR SAID SO ABOUT MY NAME.
2. Senior Expert Mr. Devajyoti Barman has posted that:
“I do not know why the author is still making post here which is of no good for him.
By this way you can not get your reply here.”
“I asked you to stop the discussion right now. I hope you understand what we all are meaning to say.
But you still feign ignorance and keep making posts one after another.”
MY REPLY: MR. DEVAJYOTI BARMAN HAD ALREADY VERY KINDLY GIVEN HIS WORTHY ADVICE. HIS REMARKS WERE RESULT OF HIS MIND POLLUTED BY THE STATEMENTS OF OTHER EXPERTS. I had said to Barman Sir that “Responses from experts like you only against my posts is injustice to me as my clarifications are in response to ……..unprovoked comments of Shri Dhingra against me:”
3.Senior Expert Mr. Ajay Sethi has posted that:
“dhingraji is a senior expert. please do make any frivolous allegations against our senior experts .
we dont reply to academic queries . this is unanimous decision taken by experts”
MY REPLY: MR. AJAY SETHI’S REMARKS WERE RESULT OF SOLIDARITY WITH OTHER EXPERTS. HE ASKED ME “please do make any frivolous allegations against our senior experts” I WANT TO KNOW WHICH WERE THOSE FRIVOLOUS ALLEGATIONS.
4. Senior Expert Mr. R.K. Nanda has posted that:
“I fully agree with views of experts Dhingra Sir and Ajay Sethi. do not take experts for granted.Moreover, how much free legal advice u want from experts.”
MY REPLY: MR. R.K. NANDA’S REMARKS WERE RESULT OF OF HIS MIND POLLUTED BY THE STATEMENTS OF OTHER EXPERTS. HE DID NOT GIVE ANY REASON FOR SIDING WITH “Dhingra Sir and Ajay Sethi”.
5. 5. Senior Expert Mr. Raj Kumar Makkad has posted that:
“I also do agree with Dhingra sir and Ajay.”
MY REPLY: MR. RAJ KUMAR MAKKAD’S REMARKS WERE RESULT OF HIS MIND POLLUTED BY THE STATEMENTS OF OTHER EXPERTS. HE DID NOT GIVE ANY REASON FOR SIDING WITH “Dhingra sir and Ajay.”
On two other Links, you have posted about me:
“You haved been rejected.”
“Try to digest the truth.”
“Despite the fact that author has been rejected by expert”
MY REPLY: Mr. Doab needs to review his statements. Rather experts have not been able to explain SO FAR THE TERM USED BY THEM QUITE OFTEN i.e. “ACADEMIC QUERY”. LET MR DOAB DO THIS ON THEIR BEHALF AND EXPLAIN THE TERM “ACADEMIC QUERY”
Interestingly, later on when I kept quiet to Mr. Kumar Doab’s misrepresentations and acts of debauching minds of other experts, he was waiting for an opportunity to attack me further and his wish was fulfilled when Mr. Rajendra K. Goyal posted as ‘Expert Kumar Doab sir, Good job, Thanks for hard work.” Mr. Doab FRESHLY posted as follows about me
“He is littering in Form section now.
The link is already given in this thread and also below:
http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/Comments-142356.asp”
MY REPLY: WHAT A SOLIDARITY! SPREADING MUCK HIMSELF AT EACH LINK AND BLAMING ME FOR THE SAME.
abhimanyu
(Querist) 25 September 2016
ACADEMIC QUERY/CONCERN WITH THE QUERY
THE ROOT CAUSE OF THE PROBLEM IS THAT GENEUINE QUERIES ARE DUMPED AS “ACADEMIC QUERY” WITHOUT ANY RHYME OR REASON. THE PROBLEM ARISES WHEN A QUESTION IS RAISED ABOUT HOW THAT PARTICULAR GENUINE QUERY HAS BEEN TERMED AS “ACADEMIC QUERY”.
FURTHER QUESTIONS ARE RAISED ABOUT CONCERN OF THE INDIVIDUAL WITH THE QUERY. BOTH ISSUES ARE DEALT WITH BELOW
ACADEMIC QUERY
This term i.e. “Academic Query” used by the experts for any genuine query is not understood. None of the experts, who dumps any genuine query as “ACADEMIC” has been able to explain the term “Academic Query”. It may be due to the following reasons:
1. The query is too specialized that the concerned expert may not like to advise from Commercial point of view but wants to record his presence on the post
2. The query is too specialized and the concerned expert is unable to advice but wants to record his presence on the post.
3. The query is not very specialized but concerned expert does not have full knowledge of the field to which query belongs but wants to record his presence on the post.
4. The concerned expert does not have time to reply to thr query but wants to record his presence on the post.
5. The concerned expert is allergic to a particular person, who has raised the query and terms the query as “Academic”
6. The concerned expert feels that the query has been raised by an advocate and does not want to reply but wants to record his presence on the post.
There may be other reasons also but it is strange that the experts DO NOT HESITATE IN WASTING THEIR PRECIOUS TIME
A) IN REBUKING THE PERSON MAKING THE QUERY OR
B) RAISING HULLABLOO UNNECESSARILY OR
C) MAKING UNCALLED-FOR/ATROCIOUS/SQUALID REMARKS/COMMENTS AGAINST THE PERSON CONCERNED AND SPREAD SLUDGE AND MUCK BY POSING THEMSELVES AS MESSIAH OF THE POOR AND NEEDY PEOPLE
BUT DO FEEL SHY OF EXPLAINING THE TERM “ACAMEDIC QUERY” USED BY THEM.
CONCERN WITH THE QUERY
“Nanak dukhia sab sansaar” is a famous saying. So every body is having some problem or the other and talk about that to his such relatives, friends, office colleagues and known to etc. from whom he sincerely hopes to get any help, In the process, those relatives, friends, office colleagues or known to definitely try to help him.
Now take the case of LAWYERSCLUBINDIA.
1. Every individual does not know about this esteemed Club.
2. Many of them, whosoever has even heard about it, may not be knowing how they can seek help from it.
3. Even if knowing to take help, a person may not have computer at his/her home.
4. Even if one may have computer, he may not be capable of properly seeking help due to language problem.
5. ID is required for the purpose.
6. The individual may be afraid of sharing personal details
Thus, there may “n” number of problems.
It needs to be appreciated that
a) this esteemed LAWYERSCLUBINDIA is providing opportunity to public to raise queries free of cost.
b) people raise queries about their respective problems to seek advice/guidance from experts to adopt best course of action.
c) no expert is bound to reply the query. It is expert’s sweet will to entertain the query or not.
SO, WHY GRUDGE FROM ANY SIDE FOR ANY QUERY RAISED BY ANY BODY? IF SOME EXPERT HAS ANY DOUBT, HE IS FREE TO IGNORE THE QUERY. IT DOES NOT SUIT HIM TO RAISE A HUE AND CRY AND MAKE PERSONAL ATTACKS AND TRY TO STOP OTHERS FROM ENTERTAINING THE QUERY. THIS IS ALSO AGAINST THE SPIRIT OF FOLLOWING PIECES OF ADVICE OF LAWYERSCLUBINDIA
• Be eager to learn and share. We at Lawyersclubindia intend to create a knowledge base. A portal wherein you can gain, exchange and spread knowledge. This is only possible if each one of us take a sincere step and help. By doing this we will not only gain knowledge but also make relationships both professional and personal which will stand by us always.
• Agree to disagree. Debating and sharing your views about various issues will be great fun! But whenever you disagree with someone who thinks differently than you, disagree gracefully and with dignity.
• We are not here to quarrel with others. Personal attacks, sarcasm, abusive words, innuendoes and rude behaviour will not be taken lightly: The Lawyersclubindia Community is comprised of different types of people with diverse views. They have the right to feel at ease here, even though they may not always hold the same opinions as you do or believe in the same things. Be polite to everyone always.
• Do not reply to threads with messages like I agree thanks, etc etc. …….Try to add value with your each post. Member found using different tricks to increase the points will have there points moderated and reduced.
IN VIEW OF THE ABOVE MY BIG QUESTIONS ON THIS ESTEEMED SITE ARE:
1. What is meant by ‘ACADEMIC QUERY”
2. How “Concern” of the query with the individual raising the query changes “Nature”“Spirit” of the query.
3. How any advice given by any expert may harm any body?
Guest
(Expert) 25 September 2016
Mr. Abhimanyu,
Good job to expose yourself more & more. You may continue.
But one thing you forget that charity cannot be snatched or claimed as a right by anyone. Charity is given only to deserving people, not to any poser like you.
When legal aid centers are available at every place and Shri Kumar Doab has also advised you to take their help, why don't you take that lady to the nearest legal aid center to explain their problem, why you are trying to become an agent for anyone?
In fact, your above statements clearly indicate about your own frustration, when you have not been able to get your law school exercise solved through the members of this forum?
The tome you wasted in writing your long thesis type statements could well have been spent on concentrating on your course books to find answer to your academic query.
Suppose such questions are put to you during regular examination from where you would find the people to answer your examination paper.
May God bless you with some good sense to study your course books sincerely to find your answers to test questions!
Best of luck!!!!!!!!!!!
Raj Kumar Makkad
(Expert) 25 September 2016
I have fed up to read the comments and counter-comments.
Dear Abhimanyu! Kindly do social work at any other site and why to invite such comments if you are really engaged in social service.
You may ask any relevant query by way of PM.
I also request to experts not to please loose temper on certain comments of any so-called author and try to avoid confrontation. We can avoid replying even if it is felt that the behaviour of author is not upto mark.
abhimanyu
(Querist) 02 October 2016
Respected Mr. P.S. Dhingra/Respected other Experts,
I am absolutely flabbergasted today and seek apology from you and other experts.
It may be seen that I HAVE GIVEN CLARIFICATIONS ON THIS QUERY THINKING TWO DIFFERENT PERSONS with the same name as “PS DHINGRA”.
REASON WHICH LED TO CONFUSION ON MY PART
I have seen today the change in your logo,. which was being used by you a few days back (which did not have your photo) and have come to know through this change that you are the same Mr. P.S. Dhingra, who replied my queries earlier. At that time, you replied queries as Expert : PS Dhingra, 1962dcg@gmail.com (with your Photo in the logo) and hall of fame even today shows your name as PS Dhingra, 1962dcg@gmail.com whereas in the recent past the queries were being replied as Expert : P. S. DHINGRA: sssfi2016@gmail (with a different logo without your photo)..
Raj Kumar Makkad
(Expert) 02 October 2016
Mr. Abhimanyu! In real life also we should be linient towards our elders especially from whom we gain.
You have apologized so matter ends.
One thing I also want to convey you that certain issues you raised about experts are absolutely true and correct. Sometimes a mad race for earning score starts which ultimately reduces the quality of replies. I also raised certain issues these days before all experts and hope that such type of issues be got solved at the earliest.
I heartedly do welcome your constructive views on this subject (Model code of Conduct for expert) being a constantly active member of this site since a long.
Guest
(Expert) 02 October 2016
Mr. Abhimanyu,
I don't prefer to hide my identity. The change was not voluntary, but forced by inaction of the LCI on my requests.
I would not have felt the need to change my profile, had the administration supplied the link to revive my password, which I forgot. Every time when I clicked on the link of "forget my password," the pat reply was "the link has been forwarded at your email ID", but never received even after several emails also to the admn of LCI. Probably that is a fault of the software of the LCI that never sends the password link. So, a new profile was created after unsuccessful attempts with the LCI admn. But the logo was created one of my associate to give a different look on behalf of one of our associate organization. Although I am in association with three organisations, but I render honorary service on behalf of all of them.
To be frank, I am allergic of falsehood and cheating. That is the reason, when in doubt, I don't provide solution to the persons, who try to hoodwink the experts.
So, hope, you would have satisfied now about my identity.
abhimanyu
(Querist) 07 October 2016
Makkad Sir,
Thank you very much.
But I am very much disturbed at the following comments of Mr. Dhingra given above:
"To be frank, I am allergic of falsehood and cheating. That is the reason, when in doubt, I don't provide solution to the persons, who try to hoodwink the experts"
What falsehood and cheating has been done on this post, which made him allergic?
PLACED BELOW ARE SOME OF THE COMMUNICATIONS TO MR. DHINGRA AT LINKS INDICATED
http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/experts/nominee-after-death-618106.asp
1. EXPERT MR. KUMAR DOAB TO MR. DHINGRA,
Mr. P.S.Dhingra,
I have requested many number of times in enough words that you may refrain your pinching comments, that you post repeatedly.
I expect that henceforth you will refrain.
And there shall be no need to remind you again.
2. EXPERT MR RAJENDRA KUMAR GOYAL TO MR. P.S. DGHINGRA
Respected expert P.S. Dhingra ji,
I admire your knowledge / efforts / guidance / support / sincerity provided.
Further,
I humbly prey, request please not to post any comment, may hurt feelings of anyone.
Please observe mutual respect, dignity of all.
Hope would accept my request.
3. EXPERT MR. RAJ KUMAR MAKKAD TO MR P.S. DHINGRA
@Dhingra Sir! I never want unhealthy atmosphere among ourselves and request all experts to view if we can frame any Model code of Conduct for Experts. I invite views of all my brothers and sister experts on this issue.
http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/experts/Divorce-from-secret-marriage-in-arya-samaj-temple-616961.asp
EXPERT MR. KUMAR DOAB TO MR. P.S. DHINGRA
P.S.Dhingra,
You have not been posting befitting reply.You are grossly mistaken.
You are simply hellbent on littering nuisance further and further and not willing to be apologetic ever to anyone.
The matters posted in this thread and others where you pounce on others experts with your sickening comments: are not Notions.
I have asked you in other threads to stop with your provoking conduct, approach and attitude.
You have stopped making any contribution in threads at LCI.
Finally you need to stop as far as I am concerned.
Finally: Hope the good sense shall prevail upon you and you will agree to spare me from your tantrums.
http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/experts/Income-tax-618921.asp
1. AUTHOR MR. VIVEK LADDHA TO MR P.S. DHINGRA
Mr Dhingra, you are again in my pond. Do not respond to my query. I am professional and polite too but do not understand why do you give personal comments everytime. I have seen your attitude previously as well.
2. AUTHOR MR. VIVEK LADDHA TO EXPERT MR. RAJENDRA K. GOYAL ABOUT MR. P.S. DHINGRA
Dear Goyal Sb. , thank you for sharing your thoughts and learning to me.
But at the same public forum Mr Dhingra has given the personal comments earlier and this time again which is not acceptable to my understanding.
Guest
(Expert) 07 October 2016
Mr. Abhimanyu,
You have been very selective on one sided comments of the authors. Now when you have selected to quote the latest post of Mr. Vivek Ladha, you may also read my response to his post, as follows:
"Dear Mr. Vivek Ladha,"
"If I am again in your pond you are only unduly trying to kill me. Moreover, the LCI's open forum is a common pond for one and all to use, not the sole property of any individual like you, as you claimed."
"Further, when you say, "do not respond to my query," be aware, when you appear with your query in an open forum, you don't have any choice to issue any direction to anyone to respond or not."
"If you see carefully, I have not responded on your query, rather on the observations of Shri Mohan and Shri AS Kumar."
"However, if you desire that I should not respond to any other's observation also on any page where your query appears, you may better try to observe total privacy by taking help privately from some local expert instead of availing charity service on the LCI's open forum."
NOW ABOUT OTHER QUOTES OF THE EXPERTS, you may better ask the experts, if they want my response to their posts in the open forum. If one or two have not cared to avoid hurling open insult on me and I have not responded to them in an open manner that does not mean, I don't have any reply for their comments. No response in open forum to their comments represents only my respect for them, not my weakness.
For example, You may better try to check with Shri Rajendra K Goyal, what was my response through PM to his own PM.
If I have expressed my own preference, e.g., "To be frank, I am allergic of falsehood and cheating. That is the reason, WHEN IN DOUBT, I don't provide solution to the persons, who try to hoodwink the experts" that is not my comments against any particular person, but expression of own preference, which anybody can't claim to have right to change to compel me to provide any solution.
Please be aware about all that.
abhimanyu
(Querist) 07 October 2016
Dhingra Sir,
I am sorry, I misunderstood your comments. Please forgive me.
Guest
(Expert) 07 October 2016
Mr. Abhimanyu,
Thanks for asking for forgiveness. But I wonder, what encouraged you to compile one-sided comments of some authors against me without at your query page without my response to their replies. If you want to keep it as a record to be used at any time against me, I won't object to it, as I have sufficient ground to respond against each remark.
Anyway, it is fine.
