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Guest (n/a)     10 December 2008

Is it high time for law makers in India to change the quota policy?

Is it high time for law makers in India to change the quota policy?


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Shree. ( Advocate.)     11 December 2008

Thanks a lot for your interesting discussion on the reservation issue.   Reservation is a badly conceived policy and most of its ardent supporters and utilizers belong to a class of people who are economically and educationally in a much favorable position than the average Indian. Still they try to cash in the long-past discriminatory treatment of people who are totally unrelated to them. No doubt, the reservationists are a group people evoke the caste sentiments and manage to fool entire India in believing that it is the poor who are benefiting from the reservation.


If India is to prosper, the really poor and disadvantaged have to join forces with the progressive minded people in proving that discrimination-less free market societies are the real solution to the removal of poverty.

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Ajay kumar singh (Advocate)     11 December 2008

I am with SHREE in toto.

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Rocker (n/a)     27 March 2011

Gentlemen, I am in agreement in your views. Reservations is fundamentally flawed policy. Its very foundation is based on faulty premises. We need to unite to put an end to this nonsense and save our country. Please read my views at https://lawyersclubindia.com/forum/OBC-quota-23299.asp

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(Guest)

Indian society is a badly affected society by caste discrimination and so the constitutional support has been done for those whose generations have been exploited for thousands years. Similarly the women are kept under possesion and exploited. Therefore, 100% Government jobs should be reserved for these exploited people for the same length period their generations are exploited and out of these 100% the 50% should be reserved for the women of this section only.

 

 The reservation is a constitutional right for the people who were treated “UNTOUCHABLE” ander the tag of “SHOODRAs” due to caste discremination of Hinduism and their rights/property etc. were looted by the so called upper caste Hindus. This exploitation was so as long as the period of Hinduism. The cut of date of this exploitation if treated the 26 January 1950, the date of adoption of Democracy so as long as was the period of Hinsuism before this date, the reservation to all of them will be continued in forthcoming similar length period. If the Hinduism is here for 5000 years, the reservation (the process to restore the looted property) will continue for 5000 years and thereafter a review will be done to check as to whether it has been done honestly or more need for reservation is there. The generation of those exploited for 5000 years the next generation of these should get the compensation.

 

It is very simple and clearly understandable formula.


(Guest)

Law makers do it in Parliament and not in Judiciary so no use of posting it here. Where from the majority will come and stop reservation? Those have supported caste discrimination under pretext of so called Varn-Vyastha in the name of a so called religion, they are now a minority in population. Those have been exploited under the tag of “Shoodras” and so converted into other religions they are also entitled for same compensation which Mr. Som has rightly submitted with justification.

Rocker (n/a)     27 March 2011

Ha Ha Ha, now since nobody is supporting your ideas, started creating another id of Som and then praising Som ha ha ha. Others are not children here that they do not understand your cheap tricks done under frustration.


"Indian society is a badly affected society by caste discrimination"

Like any other society in the world Indian society is affected by every kind of discrimination, one of them being caste. Reservations do nothing to end this discrimination. Rather than making people join mainstream Indian society, reservations only further increases and perpetuates feelings of caste seperation.


"and so the constitutional support has been done for those whose generations have been exploited for thousands years."

Past exploitation cannot be undone in any way, reservation is just a trick to fool people. In reality the results are just opposite. Real motive of this poison was to keep the divisions alive among people so that vote banks could be created.


"Therefore, 100% Government jobs should be reserved for these exploited people for the same length period their generations are exploited and out of these 100% the 50% should be reserved for the women of this section only."

This is your demand, your dream, your desire, your wish. Keep on hallucinating. Good luck to you when you wake up.


"The reservation is a constitutional right for the people"

Do not worry, the future of India is more important than just a Constitutional right given to take away the right to equality of all citizens. Very soon Constitution is going to be amended. Incompetent people cannot be allowed to destroy the future of India.


"due to caste discremination of Hinduism and their rights/property etc. were looted by the so called upper caste Hindu"

Nonsense you are only spreading hatred and enemity. Read the history and find out who invaded and looted India. Blaming a religion is not going to help. Many people invaded this country, looted, killed, raped and settled here. Using your total nonsense reasoning, are you saying all those people who invaded, looted into this country should be uprooted and sent back to their original countries?


"The cut of date of this exploitation if treated the 26 January 1950"

It is your figment of imagination. There is no such cut off date because if someone intentionally wants to be exploited nobody can save him from exploitation. It is a self created situation. Rather 26 January 1950 is the cut off date from India's past and start of new begining. A new child called Union of India was born on this date. Hence past history cannot dictate the future of India.


"the reservation to all of them will be continued in forthcoming similar length period"

Keep on dreaming and hullucinating. Good luck to you when you wake up.


"If the Hinduism is here for 5000 years, the reservation (the process to restore the looted property) will continue for 5000 years"

Nonsense. No property was ever looted. Nobody can loot a property from anyone who did not own a property in the first place. Even if I agree to this nonsense for the limited purpose of this discussion that some property was apparantly taken possesion, then the limitation period of filing the case is over. The present holder of property has become owner by adverse possession. Moreover eye for any eye is not called justice, it is called revenge and terrorism. Principle of revenge and terrorism cannot be tolerated by democratic people of this country. Days are not far when your principle of revenge will be thrown out of India into Arabian see by democratic people of India.


"The generation of those exploited for 5000 years the next generation of these should get the compensation."

Present people have to live as per present social conditions, not as per social conditions 5000 years ago. It is not only people of particular caste but everybody was exploited in one form or the other for 5000 years, according to whatever social rules were present during that time. It was acceptable to everybody then. Country cannot be run today by what was done 5000 years ago. Many things were done during last 5000 years. Many people invaded this country and settled here. Using your nonsense reasoning, are you saying all those people who invaded into this country should be uprooted and sent back to their original countries? What justice are you talking?


"It is very simple and clearly understandable formula."

This nonsense garbage formula is understandable formula to ONLY to those rotten, biased and prejudiced minds who are full of revenge and hatred. So stop repeating this nonsense. People at LCI have already kicked your nonsense out. Time is not far when similar nonsense will be kicked out of democratic India. Either change your ideas to become amenable to reasoning or be prepared to get ideas kicked out by democratic people of  India.


"Law makers do it in Parliament and not in Judiciary so no use of posting it here."

Who are you to stop what to be posted here? Rather who made you the admin of this website?


"Where from the majority will come and stop reservation?"

So you are actualy feeling afraid? From whom? From democratic people of this country itself. The democratic people of this country will form majority, who else? Do not worry days are not far. The wheels of progress have been set in motion.


"they are now a minority in population."

They already formed government 2 times with support from democratic people of India. So stop day dreaming.


"Those have been exploited under the tag of “Shoodras” and so converted into other religions they are also entitled for same compensation"

Those who have converted should test the honesty of their new so called religions first. If they are still exploited in their new religions, then how honest are their new religions? Apply your mind.


(Guest)

Ravi Baba, your replies saying that you are not in sense and in imbalance mind like a patient of High-Low BP, Heart problems, Diabetes, Breating problems etc. In such a child age such problems are not a good sign. Please take care of yourself.

Arup (UNEMPLOYED)     27 March 2011

IT IS NOT THE RIGHT TIME.

POLITICAL GROUNDS MUST BE THERE, WHY THE GIVEN RELAXATION WILL BE WITHDRAWN?

UNTILL THIS IS LOGICALLY PLACED BEFORE THE PERLIAMENT, THE SAID RELAXATION CAN NOT BE WITHDRAWN.

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Rocker (n/a)     27 March 2011

Som Bache your unreasonable reply shows you are still a crying child with milk teeth. Person of imbalanced mind thinks everybody is imbalanced like him. If you have some knowledge, then rebut my clear answers given in my previous post above pointwise with proper reasoning. Else keep your mouth shut and don't talk nonsense.


Mr. Arup we are discussing the faulty doctrine of reservation and not discussing political gimmickry behind it. This "reservation" thing is one of the biggest political gimmickry not only with people of India but also with principles of natural justice. I am putting you only one question, I expect an honest answer from you without any kind of fear, bias and prejudice. Place a hand on your heart, read the question and answer it.


Question: Mr. Arup and Mr. Ravi are both equally in need of job. Mr. Arup and Mr. Ravi belong to identical economic condition families. Mr. Arup and Mr. Ravi have both gone to same school and college. Mr. Arup was serious with his studies with hope of getting job and worked really hard day and night, he gets better marks and qualification. Mr. Ravi was not serious with his studies because he knew his seat is "reserved" and did not work really hard, he gets poor marks and qualifications.

 

Now when both Mr. Arup and Mr. Ravi go for job, Mr. Ravi is selected ONLY because his seat is "reserved" for him. Why it is reserved?  Because of  ONLY reason that he is born in one particular caste.

 

What is the crime of Mr. Arup? Nothing.

 

Why Mr. Arup should suffer for hard work and responsibility and give up his rights? No answer based on true principles of justice and equality.

 

Principles of natural justice demand if Mr. Ravi wants to take away the right of Mr. Arup, then in order to loose his right Mr. Arup must have taken away equivalent right of Mr. Ravi. Please tell me what right Mr. Arup has taken away from Mr. Ravi?

nitish joshi (Finance & tax Consultant)     27 March 2011

rather than increasing literacy ,skills and knowledge in community, now a days communities are more interested in getting reservation for example Jatt aandolan going on in Hariyana and gurjar andolan of rajasthan....we must concentrate on development of the whole nation and not  of some particular castes

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(Guest)
Originally posted by :Ravi
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Som Bache your unreasonable reply shows you are still a crying child with milk teeth. Person of imbalanced mind thinks everybody is imbalanced like him. If you have some knowledge, then rebut my clear answers given in my previous post above pointwise with proper reasoning. Else keep your mouth shut and don't talk nonsense.




Mr. Arup we are discussing the faulty doctrine of reservation and not discussing political gimmickry behind it. This "reservation" thing is one of the biggest political gimmickry not only with people of India but also with principles of natural justice. I am putting you only one question, I expect an honest answer from you without any kind of fear, bias and prejudice. Place a hand on your heart, read the question and answer it.





Question: Mr. Arup and Mr. Ravi are both equally in need of job. Mr. Arup and Mr. Ravi belong to identical economic condition families. Mr. Arup and Mr. Ravi have both gone to same school and college. Mr. Arup was serious with his studies with hope of getting job and worked really hard day and night, he gets better marks and qualification. Mr. Ravi was not serious with his studies because he knew his seat is "reserved" and did not work really hard, he gets poor marks and qualifications.


 

Now when both Mr. Arup and Mr. Ravi go for job, Mr. Ravi is selected ONLY because his seat is "reserved" for him. Why it is reserved?  Because of  ONLY reason that he is born in one particular caste.

 

What is the crime of Mr. Arup? Nothing.

 

Why Mr. Arup should suffer for hard work and responsibility and give up his rights? No answer based on true principles of justice and equality.


 

Principles of natural justice demand if Mr. Ravi wants to take away the right of Mr. Arup, then in order to loose his right Mr. Arup must have taken away equivalent right of Mr. Ravi. Please tell me what right Mr. Arup has taken away from Mr. Ravi?
 
"

 

 

 

Fantastic explanation by Ravi ..

 

Hats off to you!!

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Rocker (n/a)     27 March 2011

Thank you Meenal And Nitin. India needs reasonable people like you to throw out the ideas and dreams of undemocratic people in this country.


(Guest)
Originally posted by :Arup
"
IT IS NOT THE RIGHT TIME.

POLITICAL GROUNDS MUST BE THERE, WHY THE GIVEN RELAXATION WILL BE WITHDRAWN?

UNTILL THIS IS LOGICALLY PLACED BEFORE THE PERLIAMENT, THE SAID RELAXATION CAN NOT BE WITHDRAWN.
"

 

Just right. And LCI is not the parliament so whatever going on here is just a discussion and nothing more.

 

Now we are not in Ramraj where a few so called upper class people will decide things as per their interest. Now it is Democracy and the India is a multi-religion country. Everything now has to be decided by the majority in elections and finally clear majority in Parliament.

 

We all know that the Congress is in power most of the time due to having the label of secular party and communal party never come with clear majority in parliament.

 

So let the discussion go on. Atleast people can feel some relax by speaking loud their thought, which in fact have no impertance/use to create a majority in elections.

Rocker (n/a)     27 March 2011

Nobody is saying LCI is Parliament. It is rightly said "Chor ki dadi mein tinka" Earlier in one of the threads you were saying LCI is Parliament, now you have reversed your stand. Everybody is completely relaxed and only discussion is going on here. It only you who is getting tensed and trying to show otherwise.


I have asked a question to Mr. Arup, let us discuss the question and not try to divert attention from question.


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