Well said. Just the same Parliament will say ever, since which party want to be in majority in Parliament that can not be possible without the bunch of the votes of minorities and SC/STs. So, the special provisions will be continued till when the loss of generations happened in past due to caste discrimination will not be recovered and social balance will not be maintained. So there is no limit even of 5000 years. It is not a simple question of a governmeent job but it is a question of rehabilitation of political power to those who were kept as untouchable. 

Let the discussion go on and do not divert from this real question:

Question: Mr. Arup and Mr. Ravi are both equally in need of job. Mr. Arup and Mr. Ravi belong to identical economic condition families. Mr. Arup and Mr. Ravi have both gone to same school and college. Mr. Arup was serious with his studies with hope of getting job and worked really hard day and night, he gets better marks and qualification. Mr. Ravi was not serious with his studies because he knew his seat is "reserved" and did not work really hard, he gets poor marks and qualifications.

Now when both Mr. Arup and Mr. Ravi go for job, Mr. Ravi is selected ONLY because his seat is "reserved" for him. Why it is reserved?  Because of  ONLY reason that he is born in one particular caste.

What is the crime of Mr. Arup? Nothing.

Why Mr. Arup should suffer for hard work and responsibility and give up his rights? No answer based on true principles of justice and equality.

Principles of natural justice demand if Mr. Ravi wants to take away the right of Mr. Arup, then in order to loose his right Mr. Arup must have taken away equivalent right of Mr. Ravi. Please tell me what right Mr. Arup has taken away from Mr. Ravi?

Present generation is nominee of past generations. If the past generations have taken loan the balance has to be recovered by the present and future generations till when the justified recovery is done. Similarly, if the past generations have grabbed others rights that has to be recovered by the present and future generations till when the justified recovery is done. Those are with this burden they have to be ready with wilingness for repay the same. Those are unwilling they may cry but cannot escape from it as the Democratic Government will restore the same. So simple.

"It is not a simple question of a governmeent job"

Yes I agree it is not a simple question of government job but is substantial question of natural justice.

"it is a question of rehabilitation of political power to those who were kept as untouchable."

Oh! so this is the real face of DRF? So it is a trick by DRF to grab political power by doing injustice by violating principles of natural justice. Maoists also want to grab political power by violating principles of natural justice. Then what is the real difference between the two? Practically no difference?  Both appear to have common aim of grabbing political power by violating the priciples of natural justice. Real hidden agenda of DRF is exposed by DRF itself on a public forum.

Nobody has taken any loan from anybody. Nobody can escape this fact. So DRF may cry that somebody has taken loan from somebody. But no Democratic citizen is going to listen. So simple.

Undemocratic face of DRF exposed by DRF! No orgainsation with word "Democratic" in its name is really democratic. It is just a mask to hide its undemocratic face.

"What is the crime of Mr. Arup? Nothing."

---   you are talking about the social justice.

it should be there.

but the present reservation policy also based on social justice.

therefore to remove the effect of one 'social justice' another strong, logical and widely acceptable theory of 'social justice' to be needed - which presently not available.

I am also with SHREE in toto.

"you are talking about the social justice."

Mr. Arup, society is made up of individuals. If individuals are not getting justice, then how can it be said there is justice happening in society? If every individual in society is getting justice then automatically the society is getting justice because individuals make the society. By taking away the rights of individual for no crime, no society can claim to be doing any "justice". It is biggest misuse of the sacred principle of "justice".

"but the present reservation policy also based on social justice."

I have clearly demonstrated the connection of justice to individual with justice to society. If every individual is getting justice then society is also getting justice. The term "social justice" is simply being misused to hide the policy of eye for an eye to be carried under name of "reservation".

Arup ji, here is our discussion on social justice;

https://www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/Re-Re-Re-Our-constitution-is-Questionable-25111.asp

The cited discussion is irrelevent to this discussion, just another ploy to divert attention. On the contrary it is pertinent to note in that thread, reasonable people have started questioning the very fundamental principles of justice and equality of our Constitution. The cited decision of SC in that thread has no relevance to the matter being discussed here. That SC decision is talking about meaning of some Articles in Constitution "as they are". Any judgment is made on the question being raised and material facts being presented. If Constitution says "Sun revolves around Earth" instead of saying "Earth revolves around the Sun" then it will be a greatest lie by Constitution. Is it not? Agreed. SC has not questioned similar facts in that decision.

The present discussion in this thread has totally different material facts to be discussed in light of principles of natural justice for the individual. This discussion is also talking about connection of rights of individual in light of natural justice and its impact on the specious bogey of so called "social justice".  I have raised this as substantial question of law for natural justice.

Dear Ravi, though you are trying repeatedly same thing creating loud sound but none is taking you into notice here at this site mainly in this matter. If you want to see your importance post your this task in a separate thread and see the facts. Otherwise here your unnecessary repeated enterance seems like a child crying for moon and not listening what others saying. What is the use if you repeat same thing thousand times if people do not like to attend it?

tart your threads and see what people gives creadit to you here.

Dear Som nobody asked for your unwanted advise. Keep your advise to yourself. Wise men never give unwanted advice. Your reply itself shows that you are getting nervous when confronted with facts.

We must concentrate on development of the whole nation, welfare of everyone is incorporated in it.

Everyone must grow and prosper and is in the interest of the strong nation.

Unfortunately some members wish to see the downtrodden as Shudra for the next 5000 yrs more.

Wisdom talent and intelligence must be respected.

Now none is remained under the tag of “Shoodra” after adoption of a Secular Democratic Constitution and now castism of Hinduism is a crime against civil society since now Ramraj is over on 30 January 1950.

Now the debit of Ramraj is remained to be recovered for the period as long as the Ramraj was here before 30 Jan. 1950. So if the Ramraj was here for 5000 years so the recoveries will be made for next 5000 years or if the Ramraj was more than this so the recoveries will be made in the equal length in forthcoming years to those who were exploited under the tag of “Shoodra” in Ramraj/Hinduism even if they have left the Hinduism and converted into any other religion. The next generations remains nominee of the past generations and so the rights grabbed by the past generations will be recovered from their next generations so that those generations were exploited their next generations can be given back their rights.