Bridegroom arrested after father demands dowry

Mr. Ramani,

Your behavious is bit amusing and weird,because Abhinetra supposedly understands that this news was posted merely for discussion puprose;and not to defame anyone.So he is no more taking interest,perhaps after clarification with Roshni.

But something is bothering you.Are you fearing anything kya?

For your information Dr. Ramani,you can accuse someone for defamation,when he has published someone's real name,address,and other details that can identify him.This news is giving different names of the bride and groom.

Lastly Roshni has not authored this news.Go and fight with Yahoo.This site is frequented by a few 100 members daily.Yahoo is frequented by millions of people.

In this site,Abhinetra has already given the correct picture.So the truth is out.In Yahoo,it's not possible.So readers of Yahoo,if they still open this news,will never know the actual truth.So go and fight with Yahoo,instead of making issues here.

With due respect to your words Dr. Ramani,here are the extracts of your very own sentences,which you had written in this thread itself after reading this news,which directly show how much you are defaming this gentleman Mr. Abhinetra Gupta.Now when this groom has come into this forum,you are suddenly changing your colours and blaming Roshni,to save yourself:

Dr. RAMANI'S VERY OWN SAYINGS:

1.) Why are people debating on the value of the dowry asked and capacity of the bride’s father to meet the demand?   Do they mean that dowry demand is justified, if the bride’s party can afford it? Or do they think that alleging demand of such a large amount was not probable and that the bride’s party was making false allegations?

In the first place, big or small, demand of dowry is bad enough. And why should they make the demand at such an awkward moment? Is it not blackmailing? If the bride’s party is making false allegation, why should they wait until the arrival of barat and exchange of garlands?

2.) Mr.Zeeshan Ali 

You were saying that TV was a small thing which the bride's father could afford. What did that mean? Now you are saying that it could be false allegation. So both my points are proven.

The brides party would not make false allegation just before the marriage. There could be no motive at that stage. Things start to sour only much after the new wife enters her matrimonial home.

(Indirectly Mr. Ramani is blaming the groom and his family only.Aint it)?

3.) Now Dr. Ramani's latest sentence that shows his lies,and how he changed colours all of a sudden:

 I have also to apologize to Mr. Abhinatre Gupt. Though I did not write against the bridegroom’s party **

**Now Dr. Ramani escapes by saying he did not write against the groom.

Weren't his sentences indirectly saying that the bride is innocent?

If she is innocent,the opp. party is obviously cunning.

So,indirectly,did he not defame the opp. party?

Madam Roshni B. posted a news item. I think anyone posts something here expecting others to comment on it.  I took the post on face value [I did not suspect like some other participants] and gave my comments on the post. Also I apologized right here in front of everybody instead of sending a secret PM.

 When one participates in this forum for sometime, one gets an idea of the background of the other participants. There are some who specialize only on news, judgments etc. where only the man or his mother or both are caricatured as culprits. If there was something the other way, they do not see it.

 Among those who comment, there are also those who argue on behalf of the males only. My comments can be both ways depending on what is presented.

 In fact, I also learnt something. I should take any matter, which is presented here, with a pinch of salt.

I do not believe that all women are bad nor all men are bad. There are good women and bad women. Also there are good men and bad men.

 And Madam Princess what is bothering me? I can know it if you let me know.

What I wrote about Jayalalitha are incontrovertible facts. Further I am a voter and a tax payer and I have a right to criticize politicians.

What I wrote about remarriage after talaq was also true. If I find something which may or may not be palatable, but true with regard to Hinduism, Christianity, Sikhism or any other religion, I shall write about them too.

Soon after the death of M F Hussain I wrote a post supporting him. I received brick-bats from many Hindus.

Yes,go ahead and keep writing writing ..............

But do not hit others with your brickbats,when they write against a custom.

Theek?

Goodbye..

Roshniji,

I read your response of yesterday evening at 9.34 PM, only today morning and I wanted to respond to that since morning but could not find time.  First of all, I like your writing style and the great defence you put on your part.  Much I like is slight humour touch on your part in the serious topic.  Over all, I agree with you what you said in that response.  You simply posted what you saw in the news item without any malafide intention.

By the way, in a general way, I want to caution all the newspaper readers that please do not believe the police version.  Once crime is committed, on the next day, ACP/DCP rank officer comes on T.V. and solve the sensational case and gets a lot of visual / sound bites.  All these cases, after three or four years fall down in the courts.  Now every one is in media publicity and police is more publicity hungry, so do not rely on their stories about crimes.

Yesterday, I saw your responses in one thread (exact title of the thread, I cannot recollect) where a discussion was held that how male members of families, who engage maids, were under threat of false rape charges levelled by the maids.  You gave several suggestions on that topic.  With utmost respect to you, I felt so bad about your response.  Your response is only one sided.  Even at the fraction of moment you have not thought in some cases of maid's rape, there is element of truth and masters raped the maids taking advantage of their economic vulenerability and most of the maids are migrated and are living in cities without protection of their own society.  With a single stroke you brushed all the maids putting allegations about rape by their masters are cunning and intended to extort money.  I do not want to go into the reasons that why you developed such an impression.  There might have been some personal experiences on which you developed that idea.  There is a different story.  I think you are a delhi citizen.  In delhi, most of the maids come from Bangladesh (illegal migrants), Assam, West Bengal and Jharkhand.  Various NGOs are operating for protecting (exploiting) these women.  There are several placement cells, where these maids enrol themselves and the placement cells send them to kothies where they have to work as maids.  The placement cells agents rome in the villages of eastern borders of India, Assam, W.B. , Jharkhand, Chattisgarh and M.P. and give false assurances to young girls and middle aged women that they will be employed with handsome salaries in the country's capital.  In recent investigations by the Delhi police, it came into light, these agents are involved in human trafficking.  These prospective maids come into the city and are some times first raped by these agents and later on forced to go to kothies.  The contacts with the home are snapped.  In kothies, they again become targets of physical abuse including rape.  Econimic exploitation also will be there - they are not paid proper wages.  Even child labour is there in that particular area.  Even some NGOs are also involved in these gruesome activities. 

Recently, I was asked in a work shop to address the legal questions relating to successful conduct of rape cases to deliver justice to the rape victims.  In that workshop, I came to know about the various personal experiences of the maids.  The most horrible experience is with the migarated bangladeshis.  Due to poverty they cross the country border and enter India for their livelihood and they become illegal migrants.  They are s*xually exploited by several people as they are not legally entitled to live in India.

At the end, what I request you is to study the problems from all the angles and use your very beautiful writing skills to ameliorate the miseries of the unfortunate people by writing constructive articles and preparing petitions (legal and nonlegal) and get them placed through public spirited advocates in courts for justice and channelize your valuable skills in constructive manner.

I hope I have not bored you.  Have good night.      

@ To all

Roshni .B posting the news article for informing us .

Actually I told her to post family news in this forum in order to inform the lci members and other person i.e,people of india.

She not only post the news on female side but also post the news for husband (male) side.

Many are not like the news posted by roshni.b.It is their personal belief.We dont care.

I also here mention about  the current news channel behaviour.

Hema said,I want to caution all the newspaper readers that please do not believe the police version.  Once crime is committed, on the next day, ACP/DCP rank officer comes on T.V. and solve the sensational case and gets a lot of visual / sound bites.  All these cases, after three or four years fall down in the courts.  Now every one is in media publicity and police is more publicity hungry, so do not rely on their stories about crimes.

Absolutely right                              

Infact Gujarat High Court Chief Justice K S Radhakrishnan on Friday said that trial by media is not good as it sometimes affect the judiciary by generating strong opinion from the people.(https://www.proud2bindian.in/media-india/1652-trial-media-not-good-says-hc-chief-justice.html)

Stating the recent example of declaration of assets by judges, Justice Radahkrishnan said that the media played a vital role in creating opinion among people on the issue.

He was speaking at the inagural function of a three day workshop on media and law at the Gujarat National Law University, here today. BJP leader and lawyer Arun Jaitely was also present at the function.

"Trial by media sometimes does not give the accused a fair trial," Radhakrishnan said giving refrence to Arushi murder case.

Sometimes, like in case of declaration of assets by judges, strong opinions generated by media are not good as it affects the judiciary, he said.

The Chief Justice was of the opinion that media needs to have a self imposed code of conduct as it has importance similar to that of law and justice has for moulding a society.

"Like law and justice are neccessary for the development of the soceity, media too plays an important role in bringing about social change," Radahkrishnan said.

So, we cant say whether the news is true or not as the case run it is going through in various stages after that it is established whether the case filed by male/female is right or wrong ?

Thus, the news is taken as informative ,it gives the current picture of indian society.It can mould public opnion.But the real truth is decided by the court.

Hema jee,

Thank u for ur much detailed reply.

even i enjoy ur writings as always.i also like it wen,u pull others sometimes, or give a sarcastic touch in ur replies,that give me a hearty laugh.

in that thread,i was not biased against any indian exploited maid.i know such incidents happen in delhi too.yes,i am a delhite.

the thread was talking abt. extortionist maids.so i reply accordingly.

if it was abt. victimised maids,i wud have replied accordingly too.

there's no bias in my mind against any exploited female.

after all,i too have suffered much exploitation in my marriage,from males and females both.so i know wot exploitation is all about.

the reason why i have no hesitation in speaking up against females,if at all they are conniving type,is because i too have experienced inhuman treatment at the hands of my ex husband's female members.secondly,at the hands of a female mediator too,who sided like anything with them.

so i do not believe blindly that females are any angels.

regards,

Roshni

Hello to all Respected member's of LCI,

Kindly suggest myself, I need "POLYGRAPH TEST - Lie Detector Test" over myself to proove innocence before case proceeding starts upto the court. My case is shifted into the "MAHILA COURT" now by criminal court magistrate.

Myself already send my details to commissioner of police (case is under investigation) and also into the CBI branch. Also to Chief Minister of Delhi with appeal of "Why myself sent to jail without referring any evidences ?" along with a request of Lie Detection Test.

If myself using a wrong way, Kindly correct me please.

Statement sent to higher officials is as under :

Here below my statement point wise for Lie Detection Test w.r.t. charges upon myself to proove same FIR is fake one, If required you may refer FIR no.: 2011-0123 Dated 12/05/2011 of East District Geeta Colony police station (Here is the website link= https://www.delhipolice.serverpeople.com/firweb/Index.aspx?SubMenuId=2) :

Point No.1:
Bride (kanchan Gupta) blames that myself demand LCD TV, etc items ?

TRUTH:
For LCD TV, I clearly denied their request at initial stage as I don’t like any type of TV in my bedroom. If we discuss about dressing table then it’s a common item for bride use only & that's why we agreed to accept Dressing Table upon their request only. But never demanded any listed item, Even nothing is demanded by ourself on marriage day itself as per charges made upon to us by myself or upon mine any family members.
 
Point No.2:
As per FIR bride party claims that they spend 3.5 lakh for tent arrangement plus 4.0 Lakh for food arrangement is too totally a wrong statement ?
 

TRUTH:
During the time of venue finalization my parents suggest them to a marriage place (Sai Vatika in Nangloi) in which total expenses are of 1.5-2.0 lakh in between due to same is of my father friend, So expenses are on lower side as per their budget.  But they said that it is a costly affair so they made all arrangement in their area only as tent/catering person is known to them in their residential area and is cheaper comparative to this. As their total budget is of maximum 5.0 Lakh for the marriage due to financial condition not good. Even at that time, Myself suggest them for Court Marriage too but these persons not agreed upon my statement.
 
Point No.3:
During the time of Bairoti (Ribbon cutting ceremony in Tent Pandaal entrance), Kanchan blaimed that myself misbehaved with her parents and relatives. That’s too completely a wrong statement ?
 

TRUTH:
Fact is that, Her Jeeza (Sh. Deepak Gupta)/ her brother (Sh. Vishal gupta) misbehave with my elder brother/cousin brother upon that issue some hot talk between both parties happen. Myself scolded her Jeeza badly due to non-formal or say abusive language used by him on such occasion, When all things are goin fine as occured in all normal marriages.
 
Point No.4:
Kanchan said that I demands one car + five lakh rupees is too totally a wrong statement ?
 

TRUTH: 
Completely fake statement. I already had one four wheeler “TATA Indica Vista AURA – Quadrajet”. Its fact that due to accident before marriage my  vehicle smashed badly & myself too hurt badly, But due to my vehicle is covered for 100% cover for any accidental damages  and repairing bill is of 5726.00/- Rs only at the time of delivery. So both above statements are too un-justified and completely a fake one. Both items (Car and 5.0 lakh cash) never demanded by us on or before marriage day. 
 
Point No.5:
As per kanchan I disregard marriage but fact is kanchan & her family members/relatives disregard marriage only ?
 

TRUTH:
Completely  a fake statement. Me or mine any family members never disregard marriage even after the serious thrashing with us on same day. Dis-regard of marriage ceremony has been done by themselves only in a very much planned or say in a pre-planned way.
 
Point No.6:
Statement of I.O. (Sh. Yogesh Kumar) too completely wrong that Vishal Gupta along with his relatives handed over to me to him ?
 

TRUTH:
When I.O. comes to the venue at that time Vishal Gupta (Elder Brother of bride) is unavailable at venue. I.O. himself comes upto me & take away myself to the police station without any discussion with myself or mine any family members, Neither he took any statement of bride at that time as she too available at that time at venue.
 
Point No.7:
Words of I.O. (Sh Yogesh Kumar) too wrong that bride was unavailable at that time, when he himself reached to the venue along with his team ?
 

TRUTH:
At that time bride is available in tent pandaal, But at that time he not discuss with anyone. Also I.O. confirms to us that on 12/05/2011 bride is in severe depression, so unable to come upto the police station. But in one of media shoot she is available in PS of geeta colony.
 
Point No.8:
In FIR time of arrestation as per I.O. (Sh. Yogesh Kumar) words is 07:45 am in morning of 12/05/2011 ?
 

TRUTH: 
Time of arrestation is 04:00 am in morning and timing of dinner is 03:30 am, just half an hour before arrestation we both had dinner and fact is her mother not having dinner as well her sister too.

Also, After that i mailed my complaint via E-Mail to Commissioner of Delhi as well to CBI various branches along against allegation charges over I.O. and Bride party member's. For these allegation's myself too agreed for Lie Detection first, To proove all allegation's are true :

Allegation over I.O. Officer by myself (Sh. Yogesh Kumar) which are 100% true as mentioned in mine complaint :
 
1. I.O. officer took up my signature on a paper on which extreme L.H.S. Bride (Mrs. Kanchan Gupta) initial there on and also not allow me to read that document, Till date i am unknown what is written on that document which is signed by myself on same day. (That's why on my complaint letter it is mentioned that sign is taken on piece of paper).
 
2. On 13th may 2011 in karkardooma court, I.O. not allow me to discuss with my advocate about mine case proceeding's as advocate approaches upto myself in court (Till that time myself too not known to my advocate). If he allowed me at that time then may be it's possible that my bail is done on the same day or max upto next day, Due to of his this act myself remain for complete J.C. in Tihar Jail.
 
3. I.O. demands 1.0 lakh Rs from ourself for recovery of our belonging's from bride party which is roughly worth of 10.0 Lakh value as well for to not take any further action/arrestation of my any family member's as per second complaint letter submitted by Bride Party onto the police station.
 
4. As bride party thrashed ourself in I.O. room, No action shall be taken by him against any involved bride party member's.
 
5. Also bride party snatched our valuables during thrashing in I.O. room/ Tent Pandaal, No action shall be taken by him or S.H.O. of EAST Distt Geeta Colony Police Station in New Delhi.
 
6. No statement of myself or mine any family members shall be taken by S.H.O. or I.O. involved in our case on that day upto till date, They are in influence of bride party only. (As per words of I.O./SHO conveyed to Indo Asian News Service reporter, Mr. Sumeet Singh = +91-9015957238) As per reporter police officials of Geeta Colony P.S. confirmed him statement of both parties shall be taken off and GROOM party demands DOWRY during "Phera Ceremony". Why they make such statement in front of media staff without reaching upto the truth ?
 
7. Bride brother (Sh. Vishal Gupta) admits that my mausa handover stolley bag full of costly items to him in front of I.O. (Sh. Yogesh Kumar) & his sub-ordinates in I.O. room.
 
8. On 13/05/2011, When I.O. took me to hospital for medical check-up. Doctor suggest some health check-up there he to do some gambling over there too and some fake job done related to medical document's.
 
9. After release of myself from Tihar Jail after having one complete J.C., He pressurises myself to do compromise with bride party immediately. Why he is so interested, It's too confusing ?
 
10. Even a tout of bride party comes into the I.O. room on same day of 12/05/2011 date of arrestation and demands 20 Lakh rs from us at that time, But we denied off her plea. How one can come upto the I.O. room to discuss these type of issue's in front of any police officials especially in Police Station, Which is not supposed of to be on any case ? (Lady known too police officer's of same police station).
 
 
Allegation over Bride Party from myside which are 100% true as mentioned in mine complaint :
 
1. Strolley bag full of wory/costly clothes/ Gold & Silver jewelleryhanded over to Sh Vishal Gupta by my mausa (Sh. Rajeev Gupta) to kept it in safe custody. So that we demand the same when required at the time of SAPTPADI ceremony.
 
2. Sh. Vishal Gupta (Elder brother of Bride) statement too wrong in front of I.O. officer that he handover our strolley bag to our driver and send it to our residence, It is 100% fake statement of bride brother because all issues started on venue after handover of bag by ourself to them only.
 
3. It is never informed to us that mother of bride is her Step-Mother, It is came into our knowledge after the incident thru their photographer only. So it's a crime too or case of mis-trustment lies with them only.
 
4. No person of ourside do any type of thrashing with her family members.
 
5. No adultery done by myself with my saali (Ms. Preeti Gupta) or any other girl from their side as her mother charged a blame over myself on or before marriage at anytime.
 
6. All this incidence happened after all baraaties left over the venue place and only five persons (My father/ My mausa/ My mausi/ my cousin sister/ driver) is remaining excluding myself.
 
7. Bride party dis-regard marriage only, Upon that we got annoyed and hot discussion takes place & with in a 5-10 mins police reached at venue.
 
8. Bride party snatched our valuables & do badly thrashing with us in a group in police station as well in venue too, Some outsiders too observed in their group who is not present during marriage ceremony at that time.
 
9. They even put their best efforts to stop my bail & tries that myself will not release from jail until unless they got their requested amount which is 15.0 Lakh now initially they demand 20.0 Lakh from us thru one of their tout (Same Lady known to police officials of Geeta Colony P.S. too).
 
10. Sh. Vishal Gupta (Elder brother of bride) approaches upto my workplace with his fake Dowry complaint, So that we will fulfill their illegal demands in a minimum possible time upon feeling pressure from all sides. (This all defames us badly due to lot's of advertisement in various news channels or onto newspapers by them).
 
11. Even Bride Party in a group mainly her TAU complete family including his all Damaads/ Tent waala threatened me for life too.
 
12. Also they threaten us that whoever comes for my bail in court or to meet me in jail or whenever court date planned, They again thrashed me badly along with others who accompanied with myself. So due to this my parents/relatives are in very much depressed condition as well life is full of fear & tension now.
 
13. Even media persons arrived at venue is known to them that's the only reason they arrived at venue so early or may be it is pre-planned game by them, Media persons too know about the fact when my mother along with my relatives reached upto the venue the members of bride party attacked them from all sides and badly thrashed to my Cousin brother (Sh. Rahul Gupta) as well my mother (Smt Rajni Gupta). No person from our side do any type of thrashing with any of their known member's & neither use abusive language before & after the incident takes place.
 
14. Also, Bride party comes upto prison cell on 12/05/2011 night in Geeta Colony P.S. and use abusive language over myself. Even bride party took a photograph of mine in Prison Cell in P.S. of Geeta Colony which too invloved a criminal offense as it is never allow  wrt IPC laws to take any pic in police station for any person remains in a prison cell.

Apart from all this, Myself also mentioned my family condition after the incidence :

1. My mother has been hospitalized due to badly thrashing done by bride party, 06 units of blood given to them + treatment of Gastroenterology again done of her for which she hospitalized in february month too.
2. My father seriously ill & stiill under treatment from Ambedkar hospital as well some homoepathic treatment too.
3. My elder brother is in severe depression due to all this happening.
4. My naani is in half paralyzed condition from the date of occurence of the incident.
5. My cousin brother till date not recovered fully.
6. Even myself not feeling well due to badly thrashing done by bride party.but myself never discuss about my health with mine family members.

I understand that my write up is really exceed over this reply, But request from all of you to take well your time & respond over my action.

That is it right action taken by myself or not, Also kept it in your mind that i need to recover my belonging's from bride party too which is worth of lakh of value in INR.

Await reply from all LCI member's soon.

WR,

Abhinatre Gupt.

As I always say, not all girls are angel but not all men are devils. There is a thin line between demand and greed. Law punishes greed not demand!!

I do not want to comment on the original post. But I've a live incidence which happened in a village where the girl was in love with a boy of her own village. When she was being engaged by her parents she resisted as she liked someone else. But her parents with an indifferent attitude made her sit in mandap. Then the girl candidly called up 100 (police) and then extorted her parents that if they still do not meet her demands to marry her with her choice she would tell police that the groom and his family were demanding dowry while my family was agreeing to this. Then her parents decided that they would keep mum and would do as she says. The police arrived and arrested the innocent groom. Now the question arises what about these innocent citizens of India? We protected the dignity of women but what about dignity of innocent males?

Is there any provision to find truth at the beginning before ANY innocent is not sent behind bars only because there is a verbal complaint against him/her?

With help of this stage (LCI) I wish to ask the learned members, what is the maximum sentence that ANY COURT in India can award for filiing a FALSE case. Also what is the maximum punishment for the police officer who was involved in supporting a FALSE story and even going to a level of destroying the evidence by not investigating the case at all but allows the evidences to get destroyed by themselves like phone call records etc.??

//peace

/Saurabh..V

@ Abhinatre Gupt

I suggest you to post the original news in a separate thread,then write the post you have written just now,as the 2nd post of that thread.I believe it'll bring more responses.

There's no guarantee that people/lawyers must be taking interest in this thread that I started.So they may not know you replied

Better to post in Criminal Law section.Since this has more to do with criminal law,than family law.

Thank's Roshni for your guidance (Same posted separately as guided).

But what's your opinion now ? 

Is myself taken a right step on my case now ?

Please confirm.

Rgds,

Abhinatre G.