Dpc interview / baseless adverse acr / apar remarks
K Gupta
(Querist) 22 August 2014
This query is : Resolved
Sir,
I have not received a single warning despite I received adverse entries in my ACR.
Competent authority also noticed the same and approved for its expunction but simultaneously gave to chance to my reporting officer for his comments one more time.
Thereafter they passed order in the light of rules we are unable to expunge remarks.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 22 August 2014
"I immediately filed representation to my department through registered and speed post that I have not received any adverse communication from my reporting officer but after some time they informed me that they have not received any representation from me and send me reminder to file representation in 7 days. During that time I was on leave for my marriage.
And when joined office, I immediately filed once again my representation.
And after 3 years (in 2011) I received a letter from my office that due to light of rules they are unable to expunge adverse remarks from my ACR."
The first wrong you did was to send representation by post. In Govt offices such like representation are handed over by hand.
The second mistake you did was to give representation again thereby conceded that no such representation was given. This representation should not have been considered at all. This was a mistake of the deptt and you stand to gain by their mistake.
You query is vague devoid of following details (i) who was reporting officer (ii) who was reviwing officer (iii) whom you represented.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 22 August 2014
"And after 3 years (in 2011) I received a letter from my office that due to light of rules they are unable to expunge adverse remarks from my ACR."
and you had been sleeping over three years. The deptt should not have replied at all as you had lost the chance to go to court due to limitation . The department again on 2011 gifted you a chance to go to court.
YOU DID NOT GO TO COURT.
This was a mistake of the deptt and you stand to gain by their mistake.
You query is vague devoid of (i) who rejected the representation (ii) whether that authority was the authority immediately above the reviewing authority (iii) whether this was the authority whom you had represented. (iv) who approved the decision (v) who authenticated the decision (vi) whether any rule position quoted in the order (vii) whether the rejecting authority examined each and every point you raised in the representation.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 22 August 2014
"And I was regularized in service from 2011."
AS PER GIVEN FACTS PERHAPS THERE WAS NO CHOICE.
You query is vague devoid of (i) what was probation period (ii) to what extent it was extended. (iii) when last extension of probation ended.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 22 August 2014
"During 2011 my department conducted Direct Recruitment exam for next higher post, And I topped that exam and several senior and batch mates participated in exam but all of them failed and most of them obtained half marks in written like 30,32 etc And I obtained 60. Later on I dropped in Interview."
NOTHING UNDERSTOOD WHAT DO YOU MEAN
Whether you have adverse report on your dossier and have done nothing against it since last three years your merit in written exam is irrelevant.
You query is vague devoid of (i)whether ACR had bearing on interview. (ii) whether ACR is an input to selection other than exam and interview marks (iii) for how much past period the ACR is to be considered as per RR (iv) whether the said adverse report was in the consideration zone.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 22 August 2014
"I filed RTI Application in 2011 and found entire department (Clerk,Sr. Admin Officer, Director General) prepared notings in fevor of me to expunge adverse remarks but every year they gave chance to my reporting officer(Director of Center) to know any communication was given to me or not."
NET RESULT WAS THAT REPRESENTATION WAS REJECTED.
You did not make such RTI earlier now you can not gain much out of it being a time barred case.
You query is vague devoid of (i)whether such noting was accepted.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 22 August 2014
"My 1st year (2007) contains adverse remarks, 2008- Very Good, 2009-Very Good, )."
not relevant as long as there was an adverse report.
You query is vague devoid of (i)what was grading of competitor (ii) what was the bench mark of selection for this promotion.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 22 August 2014
"During 2012, DPC Interview under FCS(Flexible Complimenting Scheme) starts and I was not called for interview.
I asked through RTI, and they replied that due my ACR issue creates problem.
"
SO YOU ACCEPTED THE DECISION AND DID NOT AGITATE FURTHER. Yes to loose limitation for going to Court if you are in High Court jurisdiction. If CAT Act applies to your organisation then you have lost the limitation.
You query is vague devoid of (i)whether ACR had bearing on FCS. (ii) for how much past period the ACR is to be considered for FCS (iv) whether the said adverse report was in the consideration for FCS.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 22 August 2014
"Now in 2014, I was called for DPC Interview and dropped in Interview. (My last 2013 APAR marks 7/10 shown to me before DPC interview).
And in this interview my colleagues and juniors are promoted , who failed in 2011 Direct Recruitment Exam. They obtained marks 30/100, 32/100 etc."
YOU HAVE NOT CHALLENGED THE SAME AND WILL ALSO NOT CHALLENGE.
Your query is vague devoid of (i)WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY 7/10 whether ACR had bearing on FCS. (ii) for how much past period the ACR is to be considered for DPS in 2014, as per RR (iv) whether the said adverse report was in the consideration for DPC in 2014.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 22 August 2014
My 2nd Appeal under RTI is pending for hearing before CIC in which I requested following information - Minutes of meeting regarding me probation, regularization , Rules under which adverse remarks not expunged, Probationer reports. (Which they have not provided even after repeated filing of my RTI Application, And for my 1st Appeal).
In 1st appeal reply they wrote that they have already provided all information. And repeated filing of RTI Application may taken as wrong pratice, And disciplinary may initiate against me.
You have not intimated whether any information was denied.
You are yourself conceding that there is repeated RTI. When information sought in RTI is not denied then there is no need for fresh RTI and just insist upon the compliance of the same. If the information is provided then repeated RYI is mischievous (A TESTED WAY OF ANNOYING ADMINISTRATION)
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 22 August 2014
BETTER MEET A LEARNED SERVICE MATTER ADVOCATE WITH ALL PAPERS. (I believe 5 Kg by now)
Raj Kumar Makkad
(Expert) 22 August 2014
hahhahahahaha. Gud style of Sudhir and thus have no option but to become agree with him otherwise he shall further spread the eply in many other .................
K Gupta
(Querist) 25 August 2014
Sir,
I understand your point but what should I do.
K Gupta
(Querist) 25 August 2014
Lot of time passed, I needed your suggestion
K Gupta
(Querist) 25 August 2014
Actually respondent delayed in passing order against me.
Raj Kumar Makkad
(Expert) 25 August 2014
It is wrong presumption that on the expiry of the probation period, automatically regularization is made. Unless and until a specific order is passed by competent authority, you service cannot be treated as regularized.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 25 August 2014
you cleared probation because there was no adverse report during probation and not because of any decision to pardon the deeds (as reported in your APAR) against which you have not agitated.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 25 August 2014
"I kept silent as during entire 3 years I have not received any extension in my contract period, no warning / displeasure communication."
not at all understood what you mean.
As apparent from given facts that you have lost limitation for going to court.
K Gupta
(Querist) 26 August 2014
Sir, I have sufficient cause for delay.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 26 August 2014
Stand corrected
Mere recording of noting by dealing clerks / SO give no right / claim to you when noting is not accepted by competent authority.
Adverse remarks may be vague but have been upheld by competent authority and in this case court could have been the only recourse
WITH PASSAGE OF TIME YOU HAVE LOST CHANCE OF GOING TO COURT AND YOU HAVE TO LIVE WITH FACTS.
The only hope could be some smart lawyer on seeing the papers in totality could convince the court on limitation and court gets ready to entertain your petition.
K Gupta
(Querist) 26 August 2014
Sir, You are right technically in terms of law.
K Gupta
(Querist) 26 August 2014
Sir, There are several cases which is condoned under limitation act.
K Gupta
(Querist) 26 August 2014
This issue is bigger than any promotion etc.
They people don't understand. And sometimes said to me that they can adjust my loss in future. But after righting RTI , They got irritated.
Really bad system of India.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 26 August 2014
"When he checked details, he laughed with it, And saying it is administrative lapses and you need not go to court. But we must ask from department under which rule they have not expunged adverse remarks from CR."
I do not agree.
Outside court how are you going to discuss the legality of a decision.
WITH PASSAGE OF TIME YOU HAVE LOST CHANCE OF GOING TO COURT AND YOU HAVE TO LIVE WITH FACTS.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 26 August 2014
"They themselves (even competent authority) mentioned in noting that under rule my remarks should be expunged but simultaneously added a point that final chance is given to reporting authority to produce evidence in support of his claim. My reporting authority is retired now, and no documents was given by him.This was given by the dept. in writing through RTI."
WHATSOEVER BE THE ILLEGALITY
WITH PASSAGE OF TIME YOU HAVE LOST CHANCE OF GOING TO COURT AND YOU HAVE TO LIVE WITH FACTS.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 26 August 2014
"And through RTI I found in my new ACR I received a very good performance.
And when I asked reply of Director, they mentioned something ORAL was given to you. And reviewing authority left our organization. We were unable to expunge remarks. "
it is irrelevant if subsequent APAR were ok at least one adverse in period of consideration is enough to harm you.
WITH PASSAGE OF TIME YOU HAVE LOST CHANCE OF GOING TO COURT AND YOU HAVE TO LIVE WITH FACTS.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 26 August 2014
"However I am still asking about rules, minutes of meetings, And they were unable to provide it. Now I filed 2nd appeal in CIC. However I underwent some pressure also to not to chase the matter. And in recent DPC interview I failed."
can you use RTI as a platform to ask the rules leading to the information?
even if you know the rules (or convinced of the absence of rules ) in support of their action what are you now at this stage going to do with the same.
"And through RTI I found in my new ACR I received a very good performance.
And when I asked reply of Director, they mentioned something ORAL was given to you. And reviewing authority left our organization. We were unable to expunge remarks. "
it is irrelevant if subsequent APAR were ok at least one adverse in period of consideration is enough to harm you.
WITH PASSAGE OF TIME YOU HAVE LOST CHANCE OF GOING TO COURT AND YOU HAVE TO LIVE WITH FACTS.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 26 August 2014
"My dept. people said to me to forget this matter else you may face problems.
But how can I forget it as it stigma to me and imposed forcefully one sided.'
I tend to agree with deptt friends.
YOU HAVE FORGOTTEN THE SIGMA FOR GOOD THREE YEARS WHEN IT WAS FINALLY COMMUNICATED TO YOU.
WITH PASSAGE OF TIME YOU HAVE LOST CHANCE OF GOING TO COURT AND YOU HAVE TO LIVE WITH FACTS.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 26 August 2014
"They people don't understand. "
WHY SHOULD THEY UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU FAILED TO UNDERSTAND WITHIN LIMITATION PERIOD.
YOU COULD HAVE CHALLENGE THE DECISION WITHIN THREE YEARS IN CASE OF HIGH COURT AND IF YOUR ORGANISATION IS WITHIN CAT JURISDICTION THEN ONLY WITHIN ONE YEAR.
WITH PASSAGE OF TIME YOU HAVE LOST CHANCE OF GOING TO COURT AND YOU HAVE TO LIVE WITH FACTS.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 26 August 2014
"And sometimes said to me that they can adjust my loss in future."
A false promise. They cannot do any such adjustment.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 26 August 2014
"But after righting RTI , They got irritated."
Your description indicates that you are using RTI to the best detriment of yourself.
It is a lost battle now
YOUR ONLY HOPE CAN LIE IF YOU ENGAGE A SMART ADVOCATE WHO CAN CONVENIENCE THE COURT TO CONDONE LIMITATION AND ACCEPT THE CASE.
OR ELSE FORGET.
Raj Kumar Makkad
(Expert) 26 August 2014
I suggest you to engage Sudhir as your lawyer as he can definitely convince the court by way of his long long replies. Either judge shall provide relief or he shall also become one of you....
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 26 August 2014
I am sorry.
He has allowed the merits of his case to go waste by limitation.
K Gupta
(Querist) 27 August 2014
Sir,
I needed your help if no issue then please provide me your email ID.
K Gupta
(Querist) 27 August 2014
Sudhir Kumar ji, Please provide me your email id.
I will discuss my matter with you, I felt if no postive outcome comes through my 2nd appeal. I will contact you.
I felt everything in my CR was written baseless and false. Nothing was communicated to me. Even dept. accepts my position and competent authority marked letter to reporting authority that if he failed to provide any supporting document within 90 days then my remarks will be expunged as matter will become time barred under representation rules.
But reporting officer not provided any reply.
After receiving final reply from department I will put-up one final representation to department. As my consultant told me that first we know all the details and then we will put-up the matter before department.
It is fault from their side. However now reporting authority, reviewing authority and administrative head (who made correspondence of my case) are retired now.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 27 August 2014
All that I can understand is that your representation is rejected ore than one year back and you have not filed any case in CAT.
You are barred by limitation. You cannot go to court now.
I cannot be of any help to you to waste stationary time and money.
As far as annoying deptt is concerned you can do very well without any help.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 27 August 2014
you have just crammed some irrelevant phrases :-
(i) Noting was made.
(ii) reporting officer gave no comments.
(iii) you were transferred to other reporting officer.
(iv) your subsequent reports were acceptable for promotion.
You have in the past four days provided no information which I have considered relevant.
K Gupta
(Querist) 28 August 2014
Sir,
I understand limitation act, but Limitation is not barred if you sufficient cause.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 28 August 2014
you seem to have andwer for every solution. It is only now you have given thi sfact that
"Communication which was given to me is from Chief Personal Officer that they were unable to expunge adverse remarks from my CR."
ANY MORE FACTS NOT DISCLOSED?
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 28 August 2014
1. Department itself taken my representation positively.
2. Communication which was given to me is from Chief Personal Officer that they were unable to expunge adverse remarks from my CR.
BOTH THE SENTENCES ARE CONTRADICTORY. YOU REPRESENTATION STANDS REJECTED AND YOU FAILED TO FILE CASE IN CAT WITHIN ONE YEAR AND NOW THERE IS NO USE WASTING STATIONARY.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 28 August 2014
Office is unable to provide me information who has passed this order.
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH THIS INFORMATION
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 28 August 2014
Competent authority (higher that CPO) itself commented that remarks should be expunged in one of its draft approval.
BUT YOU GOT A COMMUNICATION THAT YOUR CASE IS REJECTED
YOU ARE DETERMINED NOT TO ACCEPT THIS TRUTH
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 28 August 2014
They are not providing many information.
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH THE INFORMATION AFTER YOU CASE IS TIME BARRED.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 28 August 2014
And when i gave my case to consultant then he told me that it is their fault.
HE IS CONSULTANT OF COMPANY. NOT YOUR CONSULTANT.
HE NEEDS PLEASURE OF THE COMPANY TO CONTINUE.
HE IS NOT GOING TO RISK HIS CONTRACT BY ADVISING YOU AGAINST THE COMPANY.
COMMITTED TO HIS TRADE HE HAS STOPPED YOU FROM GOING TO COURT AND SAVED COMPANY FROM HUMILIATION
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 28 August 2014
But first we needed complete information. And for this I reached upto 2nd appeal in CIC.
LET THE INFORMATION COME AND SEE IF IT IS RELEVANT
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 28 August 2014
In the mean time I tried from my side and send a letter through proper channel to competent authority that please expunge remarks based on your approval in draft reply, and if not then please provide me rules.
YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO COMPEL AN AUTHORITY TO CHANGE HIS DECISION AND ACCEPT A PROPOSAL WHICH HE HAS ALREADY REJECTED.
IF SUCH A REPRESENTATION WAS GIVEN 30 YEARS BACK BY QUOTING FROM NOTING ONE COULD HAVE LOST HIS JOB. NOW RULES ARE INTERPRETED LIBERALLY.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 28 August 2014
But they are not giving me any reply.
THEY ARE NOT FOOLS WHO WILL REVIVE YOUR LIMITATION TO GO TO COURT WHICH YOU VOLUNTARILY LOST.
V R SHROFF
(Expert) 28 August 2014
too long !!
I believe, Sudhirji must have taken care of Query.. So no thing to add.
Querist must reduce ..& understand, we have very little time to read..
Raj Kumar Makkad
(Expert) 28 August 2014
I think that the query is being crushed by hook or crook.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 29 August 2014
Basically the querist has lost case.
The only hope could be some smart lawyer on seeing the papers in totality could convince the court on limitation and court gets ready to entertain your petition.
Raj Kumar Makkad
(Expert) 29 August 2014
@Sudhir! How many times the same advice shall be given by you to the querist even when he is not adding anything new?
K Gupta
(Querist) 31 August 2014
Sir,
If you can provide me your contact number then please give on my email ID dgsupp@gmail.com
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 31 August 2014
2nd appeal .......?
you said
"But first we needed complete information. And for this I reached upto 2nd appeal in CIC."
now you say
"My planning is to move to CAT after getting 2nd appeal reply from my dept. and making final request to department about their lapses."
CAT IS NOT THE ENFORCING COURT TO SECURE RIGHTS UNDER RTI ACT.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 31 August 2014
you said
"If I have complete documnets including noting of department then in how many months/years my case will disposed be off ?"
it is more a question of astrology than of law.
from legal point of view it can be said that your case was rejected in 2011 and you failed to move to CAT within an year.
Now you want to know what time the court will take. If the court is not satisfied of the limitation aspect the case can be disposed off with 3-4 minutes of admission arguments.
Raj Kumar Makkad
(Expert) 31 August 2014
If the query shall not be converted into 'resolved' it shall go unabated and such change of stand shall always occur both from author side as well as from the the side of single expert.
K Gupta
(Querist) 01 September 2014
Sudhir Sir,
Can you provide me your email ID, I want to discuss matter with papers which I received from my department.
Are u a CAT lawyer OR Do u know some expert in this field?
Actually till date I have never found on any noting where competent authority suggests to extend my probation, regularization etc. And instead of it they approved draft letter to expunge adverse remarks from my CR as nothing was communicated to me.
90 days passed in CIC after file no allocation but case is not yet put up for hearing.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 01 September 2014
enough
even if you meet me my views will not be different than those expressed above [UNLESS YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAVE HIDDEN SOME FACTS].
Even if I express these views 50 you are not going to agree.
You have not cared to see why I asked 30 questions in first 6 blogs of mine.
K Gupta
(Querist) 09 September 2015
I can go in CAT as law of limitation not applied in my case due to sufficient cause.
I recived part of information recently. And one more thing that my department in writing gave another chance for representation but said two times we check and will not entertain further.
I got orders of CAT - Sufficient cause and many cases condoned due to RTI reasons, and due to prima facie sufficient cause. Hundreds of cases available on similar grounds
K Gupta
(Querist) 09 September 2015
Supreme Court - Length of delay is no matter, acceptability of the explanation is the only criterion
K Gupta
(Querist) 09 September 2015
And this judgement found on your site also - http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/judiciary/Court-cannot-refuse-to-condone-the-delay-if-it-result-miscarriage-of-justice-3703.asp#.VeWLyCWqqko
Court cannot refuse to condone the delay if it result miscarriage of justice
But you people denied that I can't go in court.
K Gupta
(Querist) 09 September 2015
1. Ordinarily a litigant does not stand to benefit by lodging an appeal late.
2. Refusing to condone delay can result in a meritorious matter being thrown out at the very threshold and cause of justice being defeated. As against this when delay is con- doned the highest that can happen is that a cause would be decided on merits after hearing the parties.
3. "Every day's delay must be explained" does not mean that a pedantic approach should be made. Why not every hour's delay, every second's delay? The doctrine must be applied in a rational common sense pragmatic manner.
4. When substantial justice and technical considerations are pitted against each other, cause of substantial justice deserves to be preferred for the other side cannot claim to have vested right in injustice being done because of a non-deliberate delay.
5. There is no presumption that delay is occasioned deliberately, or on account of culpable negligence, or on account of mala fides. A litigant does not stand to benefit by resorting to delay. In fact he runs a serious risk.
6. It must be grasped that judiciary is respected not on account of its power to legalize injustice on technical grounds but because it is capable of removing injustice and is expected to do so.
K Gupta
(Querist) 09 September 2015
wait for some time
K Gupta
(Querist) 19 September 2015
Sir, I want to application drafting process, actually how to do numbering on pages.
1st Index - Details of Pages with Page Numbers. But in my caes pages are more than 250. Do I need to explain each and every page in Index ? OR Important Pages related to decision ?
Actually elaboration of pages already mentioned in my O.A. Therefore I am thinking to explain important pages in Index and at last mention total number of Pages - (e.g.) 275.
Additionally I want to know - Do I give page number to Synopsis of my case too ?
For my OA, Can I give page number OA 1, OA 2 etc ?
And for MA, Can I give page number MA 1, MA 2,.. etc?
OR Do I number page in straight way e.g for OA - 1 to 50, thereafter Page nos of supporting docs 51-300, Thereafter page nos for MA - 301-350.
And compilation of my application in such a way :-
1st Way
1. Title of the Case (No page number)
2.Index (No Page Number to given to Index)
3. Synopsis (Sr. No., Description of documents relied upon, Page No.) (No Page Number Given to Synopsis)
4. Annexures (A,B,C,D,E,....)
5. Orginal Application ( Page no. 1-50)
6. Supporting Documents ( 51 to 300)
7. Miscellaneous Application (301-350)
OR 2nd Way -
1. Title of the Case (No page number)
2.Index (No Page Number to given to Index)
3. Synopsis (Sr. No., Description of documents relied upon, Page No.) (No Page Number Given to Synopsis)
4. Annexures (A,B,C,D,E,....)
5. Orginal Application ( Page no. OA 1- OA 50)
6. Supporting Documents ( 1 to 250)
7. Miscellaneous Application (Page No. MA 1- MA 50)
Please suggest me, Which way is correct.
Am I correct in application procedure.
Please give your valuable guidance.
K Gupta
(Querist) 19 September 2015
In my application -
Index, Synopsis, OA, Annexure and MA will be on legal size green paper.
Annexures are attested by gazetted officer.
Am I correct ?????
K Gupta
(Querist) 19 September 2015
What does it mean - OA before CAT is filed in three sets with two compilations of index.
two compilations of index ?????
I have to attach one Index only, why two ?
Do they called synopsis as Index ?
K Gupta
(Querist) 19 September 2015
Sir
17. In case an M.A. for condonation of delay is filed, is it supported
by an affidavit of the applicant?
What type of affidavit I should give, Means in which format
Guest
(Expert) 19 September 2015
Makkad ji,
It is really a commemorative question-answer session having beaten all the world records in gaining maximum possible scores in a single query session through cuts & pieces process. May be worth appearing in Guinny's World Records !!!!!
K Gupta
(Querist) 20 September 2015
Sir , Please reply to my questions above.
Is there any prescribed format for affidavit to condone delay.
Is this correct >>>>
Before The Hon'ble Tribunal
___________________________.
In the matter of XYZ for expunction of adverse remarks for period _________.
Affidavit of Mr. A aged about ___ years S/o Mr. B R/o ___________________
1. I, the above named deponent, am working in as is fully conversant of the facts deposed below:
2. That the deponent received impugned order on .............
3. That representation was to be filed on _________
4. That delay happened due the facts : _______
Deponent
VERIFICATION
I, A, the above named deponent do hereby verify that the contents of this affidavit from paras 1 to 4 are true to the best of my knowledge and belief.
Dated………………. Deponent
K Gupta
(Querist) 21 September 2015
Sudhir ji, Kindly give your reply to my above questions. You are a very helpful person, I am awaiting for your reply.
