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Himabindu


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Posted On 22 June 2010 at 10:20 Report Abuse

Hi All,

I belong to OBC but my husband comes under General category. Now I need to apply for a non creamy layer certfiicate. My Caste in permanent Community certificate shows BC-B. As I am married to an OC guy will my caste be changed or it remains same.

Incase if it remians same, Could you please let me know the procedure for applying Non creamy layer certificate ?

Thanks in advance,

Regards,Bindu



Arup


UNEMPLOYED
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Posted On 22 June 2010 at 12:51 Report Abuse

marriage can not change the caste.

you are fully entitled to obtain obc caste certificate. but you have to go through the normal procedure.

fro non creamy layer range is rs 3,50.000/-

if your income bellow that, you will be treated as non creamy layer.


Ram Samudre - DRF


FOUNDER-PRESIDENT, DR. BABASAHEB AMBEDKAR DEMOCRATIC RIGHTS FORUM (DRF) - The Foundation for Social Justice and Constitutional awareness for trial of public service. (Ph.9322246333) drf.india@gmail.com
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Posted On 22 June 2010 at 20:45 Report Abuse

First I should reply your query that "will my caste is changed or it remains same"..

 

so the answer is that "no one can change your caste if you like to remain in the same conditions".

 

Now we discus policy principles in this regard.

 

Do a caste is an Establishment which never changes?

 

There are list such as SC/ST/OBC etc. of categories of class of peoples who left behind and priority goes to promote them to come up at main stream level.

 

If you feel that you are still below to main stream level, your claim for consideration "YOU A BACKWARD" is stands till than you feel it.


Arup


UNEMPLOYED
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Posted On 23 June 2010 at 10:36 Report Abuse

"no one can change your caste if you like to remain in the same conditions".--- caste can not be changed, whether one wants or not.


Arup


UNEMPLOYED
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Posted On 23 June 2010 at 10:39 Report Abuse

non creamy layer range is rs 3,50.000/-

if one's income bellow that, he/she comes under  non creamy layer group.


Ram Samudre - DRF


FOUNDER-PRESIDENT, DR. BABASAHEB AMBEDKAR DEMOCRATIC RIGHTS FORUM (DRF) - The Foundation for Social Justice and Constitutional awareness for trial of public service. (Ph.9322246333) drf.india@gmail.com
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Posted On 23 June 2010 at 14:13 Report Abuse

 

Dear Arupji,

 

Neither the Indian Constitution made the castism nor I believe in it.  I am an equal citizen.  Can you put me under any caste? please tell me.   

 

Are SC/ST/OBC's people whose income is below Rs.3,50,000/- falls under castism and so their caste never changes or the caste never do change even if one's yearly income is 10,00,000/- or more means it is irrespective of income?

 

Do the Indian Constitution says that who is of which caste and the caste will never be changed?  Please tell me any such provision since I am mot aware of it.

 

I think it is the individual, not the someone else, who tells that I am of that caste seek to get the concessions & facilities and so for ones he/she considered then his/her category (caste) will never be changes since everyone get birth at once only whatever in 'this' caste or in that 'caste'.  SO IT IS UPON AN INDIVIDUAL AS TO WHETHER HE/SHE LIKE TO RAMAIN IN A CASTE NONE OTHER CAN FORCE TO THEM TO REMAIN IN CASTISM.  AM I RIGHT SIR??? OR PLEASE MAKE ME CORRECT.

 

Here, it is a case where an individual is saying that I AM OBC  and asking that whether my caste is changed or what ?  Please tell me who is forcing her or pointing it out? that "NO ! YOU ARE AN OBC IS WILL STILL REMAIN AN OBC."  It is herself is saying that she is an OBC and I said that if you like to change your caste category than none other can force you to remain AS AN OBC.  SO IT IS UPON HERSELF THAT WHETHER SHE LIKE TO REMAIN IN OBC CASTE OR LIKE TO COME OUT OF IT.  NONE OTHER CAN FORCE HER TO REMAIN AS AN OBC.  AM I RIGHT SIR??? OR PLEASE MAKE ME CORRECT.

 

While going through her submission one can presumed that she like to be identified as a wife of an upper caste Guy and enjoy equal status in the society but she don't like to leave the facilities which she enjoy as an OBC.  SO HER CASTE WILL NEVER BE CHANGED TILL SHE LIKES TO REMAIN IN SAME CONDITIONSAM I RIGHT SIR??? OR PLEASE MAKE ME CORRECT.

 

This issue needs to be addressed properly as to whether a citizen can be forced to remain in any particular caste or otherwise ??????????????


Arup


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Posted On 24 June 2010 at 19:34 Report Abuse

ram ji,

"Neither the Indian Constitution made the castism nor I believe in it.  I am an equal citizen.  Can you put me under any caste? please tell me. "  

casteism and caste are seperate. caste can not be changed.


Arup


UNEMPLOYED
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Posted On 24 June 2010 at 20:00 Report Abuse

" Are SC/ST/OBC's people whose income is below Rs.3,50,000/- falls under castism and so their caste never changes or the caste never do change even if one's yearly income is 10,00,000/- or more means it is irrespective of income?"

caste and castism are different. do not be confused on it.

where the reservation is concerned, - the parliament; the constitution; the judiciary; the govt - all these four organs of our country talking in the same tune. there is no confusion on it. in these level caste is under consideration not the castism.

when reservation for OBC comes into picture, concept of creamy layer came out. according to that creamy layer of obc will not get the benifit of obc. the cut of point as on today is income of Rs.3,50,000/. income above the cut of point treated as 'creamy layer of OBC' and out of the reservation & quota for OBC.

there is no concept of creamy layer  for SC & ST. Hence all sc?st comes under the quota of them.

the concept of creamy layer makes the obc into two groups on the basis of the income of their family, -------  one is creamy layer and the other is non creamy layer.

non creamy layer comes under the quota of obc.


Arup


UNEMPLOYED
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Posted On 24 June 2010 at 20:11 Report Abuse

"Do the Indian Constitution says that who is of which caste and the caste will never be changed?  Please tell me any such provision since I am mot aware of it"

no. it provides the power to make the schedule of the castes and tribes.  power to decleare the schedule of the castes and tribes are the duty of the state govt. the matter running very systemetically. state govt has the power to decleare any caste or tribe under this shcedule.


Ram Samudre - DRF


FOUNDER-PRESIDENT, DR. BABASAHEB AMBEDKAR DEMOCRATIC RIGHTS FORUM (DRF) - The Foundation for Social Justice and Constitutional awareness for trial of public service. (Ph.9322246333) drf.india@gmail.com
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Posted On 24 June 2010 at 20:16 Report Abuse

 

Arup ji, i don't expect a "Baseless" statement from you.  Please define its "Basics" as to what are the provisions of "Caste of a Citizen" in the constitution of India or in the State of Union of India. 

 

As per best of my knowledge here is no such classification of citizens of India based on the religion, caste, region, language, class, skin colour, zender etc.

 

As regards the classification of people in SC/ST/OBC etc. it is only that these classification are formed considering that there are some people left behind due to social injustice and so there are some facilities & concessions hve been provided according to their circumstances to balance the equility among all citizens.

 

I understand that you mean while saying that "Caste cannot be changed", whose claim for a caste reservation that once established under a specific category of this classification cannot be changed.

 

Isn't it? If so, please continue this discussion to come out of confusion.

  




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