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1st rape,false promise of marriage and cheating

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Saurabh..V (Law Consultant)     19 July 2011

Few more question to @Author::

 

What difference does it make if you have or do not have s*x before marriage is the intention is only to marry and not enjoy the pleasure? Why did you kept the proofs hidden with you and allowed this boy to exploit you and candidly you are using these proofs now when he has retracted?? Were you anticipating that one day he would retract from his promise?? If so, then why you allowed him to exploit you multiple times?

 

 

Apart from post, following is my observation about such cases in general::

Moreover, other than having s*x, what all other acts does such girlfriends do with the boy to show that she was under an impression to get married to the boy. If the girl behaves just like a girlfriend but thinking about marriage the only act she does is s*x, then I reasonabally believe, it's promiscuity on the part of the girl.

 

We should not mix emotions into law. Law punishes illegal act not immoral act.

 

Following is an abstract from Pradeep Kumar Verma V/s State of Bihar (dt.17/08/2007) Supreme Court::

 

10. In most of the decisions in which the meaning of the expression consent under the IPC was discussed, reference was made to the passages occurring in Strouds Judicial Dictionary, Jowitts Dictionary on English Law, Words and Phrases, Permanent Edn. and other legal dictionaries. Stroud defines consent as an act of reason, accompanied with deliberation, the mind weighing, as in a balance, the good and evil on each side. Jowitt, while employing the same language added the following:

Consent supposes three things  a physical power, a mental power and a free and serious use of them. Hence it is that if consent be obtained by intimidation, force, meditated imposition, circumvention, surprise, or undue influence, it is to be treated as a delusion, and not as a deliberate and free act of the mind.

 

11. In Words and Phrases, Permanent Edn., Vol. 8-A, the following passages culled out from certain old decisions of the American courts are found:

.adult females understanding of nature and consequences of s*xual act must be intelligent understanding to constitute consent.

     Consent within penal law, defining rape, requires exercise of intelligence based on knowledge of its significance and moral quality and there must be a choice between resistance and assent

 

 12. It was observed in Uday v. State of Karnataka  (2003 (4) SCC 46) as under:

 

12. The courts in India have by and large adopted these tests to discover whether the consent was voluntary or whether it was vitiated so as not to be legal consent.

 

13. There is a good analysis of the expression consent in the context of Section 375 IPC in Rao Harnarain Singh Sheoji Singh v. State. (AIR 1958 Punj 123). The learned Judge had evidently drawn inspiration from the above passages in the law dictionaries. The observation of the learned Judge is as follows:

there is a difference between consent and submission and every consent involves a submission but the converse does not follow and a mere act of submission does not involve consent,

 

14. The said proposition is virtually a repetition of what was said by Coleridge, J. in R. v. Day (173 E.R. 1026) in 1841 as quoted in Words and Phrases (Permanent Edn.) at p. 205. The following remarks in Harnarains case (supra) are also pertinent:

Consent is an act of reason accompanied by deliberation, a mere act of helpless resignation in the face of inevitable compulsion, non-resistance and passive giving in cannot be deemed to be consent.

 

The above abstract clearly shows that a full-grown adult girl who completely understands the morality and consequences of the act, is grown up enough to form and give valid consent as per law.

 

Even if in a case, a boy promises a girl of marriage and asks for s*x, then what is the reason for the girl to agree to his advances? Why the girl does not put that OFF? When after such promise, the girl could also demand to meet his parents, take the boy to meet her parents and similarly take part in all family functions like a future wife, but candidly she only acts like future wife when in bed, but not otherwise!!! WHY? It casts heavy doubt on the intention of the girl!!

//peace

/Saurabh..V

Saurabh..V (Law Consultant)     19 July 2011

Just saw another post which preaches and endorses my above comments:

 

https://www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/should-the-OTHER-WOMAN-be-puinshed--40672.asp


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it is difficult to disagree saurabh.V 's points. He will became big lawyer in future. 

Cherry (Student)     24 July 2011

Hello he can become a great lawyer but he should think about polite people.Im a very calm going girl and even if the police goes to that boy and ask about me he himself will tell about me that what type of girl i am.You will find vry less girls like  me.I know with what i am struggling with and how i am facing the society.Even now im  not havng guts to face the police thats y im asking ul help.According our indian culture you can bring a girl down by speaking against this situation.Being a lawyer he shouldnt doubt a girl who is coming up with these type of matter in front of public for justice.This is not an argument this is life of a qualified girl who wants justice since this disaster has occured to my life....so im worn out.So, think from my side and try to help me

Roshni B.. (For justice and dignity)     24 July 2011

 

Dear Saurabh,

 

Maybe the girl is genuine.

 

She may be traumatised,hence not able to reveal her situations with confidence.When a person is traumatised,he loses his confidence and therefore cannot give convincing answers.

 

So his statements change often,because he is nervous.

I am sure you must have seen in courts,esp. in rape,molestation and matrimonial cases,that when an innocent person is cross questioned by the opp. lawyer,he gets so stresses out that he starts blabbering.So that does not mean he is lying.

 

Here you're are putting allegations after allegations upon her,making her over defensive.It is natural on her part to get panicky,and give contradictory replies.

 

LCI is not a court,and you are not a judge to decide whether she is truthful or not.She has come here to ask some queries,not to get scrutinized.

 

.If you cannot reply to her specific queries,you mey refrain from answering in this thread henceforth.If she is a liar,she will be caught lying in the court itself.So that is not your headache.That is the headache of the judge under whom her case is argued.

 

I request you once again not to treat her as an offender here.LCI is not an online court.

 

And if it is,you have not been appointed a judge here.

sripartha (advocate )     24 July 2011

yes Roshni is right, we the member of the club should try to help the poor girl rather then giving more stress to her.

Saurabh..V (Law Consultant)     25 July 2011

Dear Learned Members,

 

This is our free will that we joined this forum and it is again our free will that we respond to the posts. If any of the reply to any post goes contrary to the majority then it does not give any right to the majority to lambast words like @Roshni::

If you cannot reply to her specific queries,you mey refrain from answering in this thread henceforth.

 

If such is the attitude of members towards others then what do we mean by freedom of speach and words? We reply to ALL posts with due diligence and with our full knowledge. I've made replies in other cases where genuinely girls were facing genuine problems which were revealed by their words, and I've supported them solely and given best advice. Just because for one post I've digged into depths and found the truth and it shows that the girl is clearly trying to fabricate a false case with our advice I just want to STOP such practice. Members should not help crooks to build false cases with our genuine advice. And we should also act like professionals and not get swayed by emotional rupture due to a feminine crying!!!!

 

Regarding the point that it is not a court then the members should also understand taht had it been a court the girl's story might have been thrown out of court immediately for giving such statements. When I replied, i was sitting far off and only words (not even voice) were visible to the @Author. If she was true, she wouldn't have tumbled on these questions so easily.

 

A girl who can dare to ditch her parent's trust and do such extrovert acts and then again dare to file a police complaint and also post this matter online with specific details about the boy, cannot be regarded so called innocent abla-naari.

 

This is the essence of this implied rape. S.376IPC does not define any such act as rape but it is defined in accordance with law when this section is explicitly read with S.90IPC. Why do we forget that complainant shall remain a complainant and gender does not make any difference!!!!!

 

Just because a female is filing a complaint, does that alone make it gospel-truth? If it is so, what is the need of the trial? Just on receipt of the complaint throw the accused behind the bars and shut the case!!!

 

There was a thread on this forum in which the girl to an extent of filing false case under S.493IPC where the section was not even legally made-out and ultimately the boy succumbed to the illegal, unethical and ghastly pressure exerted by the complainant (after serving 1month behind bars).

 

 

@Roshni

Please go through the legacy cases. Just by saying poor girl does not make a case genuine or real or legal.

 

There was a very old case in which a doctor while treating his patient (a girl) had intercourse with her. The false representation made by the doctor was that he was treating the girl. Again in another case, a music teacher had oral s*x with a girl on pretext of treating her throat so that she could sing better with open throat.

 

These are the instances of misrepresentation of fact. The fact that the male was actually exploiting the girl but represented that same act as a treatment to heal some problem, did constituted rape. But when the girl knows that what she is doing is s*xual intercourse and this might result in pregnancy, such cases are not covered in this section. It is only owing to the emotional and feminist judges who considers a girl's testimony as gospel truth and accepts it without circumspection in its entirity, we are still facing such biased cases.

 

 

//peace

/Saruabh..V

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Originally posted by :Saurabh..V
"
Dear Learned Members,

 

This is our free will that we joined this forum and it is again our free will that we respond to the posts. If any of the reply to any post goes contrary to the majority then it does not give any right to the majority to lambast words like @Roshni::

If you cannot reply to her specific queries,you mey refrain from answering in this thread henceforth.

 

If such is the attitude of members towards others then what do we mean by freedom of speach and words? We reply to ALL posts with due diligence and with our full knowledge. I've made replies in other cases where genuinely girls were facing genuine problems which were revealed by their words, and I've supported them solely and given best advice. Just because for one post I've digged into depths and found the truth and it shows that the girl is clearly trying to fabricate a false case with our advice I just want to STOP such practice. Members should not help crooks to build false cases with our genuine advice. And we should also act like professionals and not get swayed by emotional rupture due to a feminine crying!!!!

 

Regarding the point that it is not a court then the members should also understand taht had it been a court the girl's story might have been thrown out of court immediately for giving such statements. When I replied, i was sitting far off and only words (not even voice) were visible to the @Author. If she was true, she wouldn't have tumbled on these questions so easily.

 

A girl who can dare to ditch her parent's trust and do such extrovert acts and then again dare to file a police complaint and also post this matter online with specific details about the boy, cannot be regarded so called innocent abla-naari.

 

This is the essence of this implied rape. S.376IPC does not define any such act as rape but it is defined in accordance with law when this section is explicitly read with S.90IPC. Why do we forget that complainant shall remain a complainant and gender does not make any difference!!!!!

 

Just because a female is filing a complaint, does that alone make it gospel-truth? If it is so, what is the need of the trial? Just on receipt of the complaint throw the accused behind the bars and shut the case!!!

 

There was a thread on this forum in which the girl to an extent of filing false case under S.493IPC where the section was not even legally made-out and ultimately the boy succumbed to the illegal, unethical and ghastly pressure exerted by the complainant (after serving 1month behind bars).

 

 

@Roshni

Please go through the legacy cases. Just by saying poor girl does not make a case genuine or real or legal.

 

There was a very old case in which a doctor while treating his patient (a girl) had intercourse with her. The false representation made by the doctor was that he was treating the girl. Again in another case, a music teacher had oral s*x with a girl on pretext of treating her throat so that she could sing better with open throat.

 

These are the instances of misrepresentation of fact. The fact that the male was actually exploiting the girl but represented that same act as a treatment to heal some problem, did constituted rape. But when the girl knows that what she is doing is s*xual intercourse and this might result in pregnancy, such cases are not covered in this section. It is only owing to the emotional and feminist judges who considers a girl's testimony as gospel truth and accepts it without circumspection in its entirity, we are still facing such biased cases.

 

 

//peace

/Saruabh..V
"

Great lawyer of future

A. A. JOSE (LAWYER; LEGAL ADVISER/CONSULTANT& TRAINER)     25 July 2011

Different shades of opinion having already been  given, perhaps it is better to leave this issue here rather than fighting in this manner by learned experts.  Let the person concerned opt  her own course of action.
 

Saurabh..V (Law Consultant)     25 July 2011

PERIOD.....

 

//peace

/Saurabh..V

Shrikant VD (ADVOCATE)     25 July 2011

Hello Ms.Cherry,

Don't Think about Mr.Saurabh he is just a LL.B Student, who dont have practical knowledge about life, society and raped cases u dont reply him, u just go and meet any good laywer in ur local area, he will definitely help u to find out the solution, and also ask him to maintain privacy in ur matter. but before meet any lawyer talk with any ur close friend or family members who will always stand behind u at any situations, because in the legal action need very much support from the family in this kind of cases.

and one more thing doing s*x before marriage is normal thing going on now a days, no need to think more, so first decide what u want, u want to teach him leason or want to start a new life without any past thinking. because once u start legal action then no time limit when this will get finish.

 

best of luck !

Saurabh..V (Law Consultant)     25 July 2011

@Shrikant

 

My status being student does not detriment my knowledge in any manner. I've visited many delhi District Courts and seen proceedings not only for petty offences but "in-camera" trials as well. So before putting apprehensions about me, in this forum, you may ask me in-person about my practical experience. Moreover about the rape cases, I already elaborated so much in this post, that after this, no judge in this world could ever go against my pleas (provided he is not a feminist).

 

Don't know how feminists turn a blind eye on flase cases and blindly support frivuluous complainants. Moreover, "lawyer as a profession" in general is well known for it's money fetching tactics. That they push normal people to be litigants to keep their fight on and make them suffer only to make their earnings.

 

S.376IPC is not a tool to get a boy married to the girl but is a provision with which an actually violated poor girl could be given justice (like the doctor's case and the music teacher's case in my above post).

 

//peace

/Saurabh..V

Shrikant VD (ADVOCATE)     25 July 2011

Hello Ms.Cherry ,

 

No need to reply him, he is just a overconfident student he had done his BE then MBA then doing Graduation in  LL.B means u can understand his mind is not set, what he want in his life after LL.B he will go for another Courses, Diploma or PG Diploma, u konw, this kind of people known as (see three idiot movie). 

and Saurabh she is asking for general information about her matter and ur behaving like rape specialist Judge and giving judgment agianst her and only thing is balance, give her rigours imprisonment or death sentence for this matter.

STOP demoralising to peopel who is seeking just advice for initial stage.

Saurabh..V (Law Consultant)     25 July 2011

Bravo bravo .........

 

Every feminist in this forum has only one way out when they are stuck in the war of words and they know that they are lagging support:::::::

MAKE A NEW PROFILE

That's what this fake @Shrikant VD has done.... Till afternoon the profession was "Junior" and now it is "Advocate". I do not want to waste my words chatting and replying to you @Shrikant (feminist).

 

May be if y ou have guts, come openly with your real ID and I can surely show you how much educated I am to have first done B.Tech, then MBA and now LLB. May god bless your filthy mind. If you could apply such mind in the development of the country than supporting feminism you might actually contribute to the growth of the country.

 

Shrikant VD (ADVOCATE)     26 July 2011

Saurabh is a mentally ill person (price tag)

may be saurabh also cheat like ms.cherry type innocent girl thats why he is over reacting, may be this matter is reminding his own past 

Get well soon !!! 


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