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Apprentice (Associate)     02 July 2011

Marking of documents, evidence and proof

In evidence, the Defendant provides original correspondence between the Plaintiff and Party A to prove his case that Plaintiff did not perform as required by him. Is this good enough? What does proving its contents mean?  Plaintiff does not deny the correspondence.

 

Party A wanted the Plaintiff to execute certain documents that he mentioned in the letter. Plaintiff did not execute the required documents. Party A is now deceased. 

 

The Defendant can only prove its contents by asking the Plaintiff for prove that he had complied with Party A's request. How else can we prove the contents? Will the court accept the documents as evidence?



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Jamai Of Law (propra)     02 July 2011

please correct me if I am wrong in my understanding about documentary evidence.....

 

 

 

Since the plaintif hasn't denied the correspondance, the contents of that "there was occurance of wriiten correspondance between plaintiff and party A in certain context" is proved. That context is the one type of contents of that written correspondance.  

 

 

Let's say ... Party A asks plaintiff to do certain things in writing ............. plaintiff replies in writing to that as 'Yes/No/may be but not now/' or any reply.

 

Contents of those correspondance only proves that 'such correspondance' did happen between Party A and plaintiff ..................... that's all ............... and its relevancy and admissibility stops then and there.

 

 

But above written conversation doesn't prove neither ........ whether plaintiff factually did those things (context or contents of written conversation even if might have any such promise/assurance by 'plaintiff to Party A') ... nor also does it prove that plaintif didn't do those things as prescribed by Party A .............. also it doesn't anyway infer that the plaintiff may have taken any another different recourse of action altogether which isn't part of the context of that correspondance.

 

 

 

That's why plaintiff also is not denying the ocurrance of such written conversation!

 

 

But it does not infer anything in either direction in the context of context of the written conversation!

 

 

Marking of docs is a procedural nitty gritty and nothing to do with admissibility of documentary evidence  towards issues of facts

 

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Srikant More (Advocate)     03 July 2011

With reference to case no. 3468893. Defendant does have the rights to prove the judgment in public. Some court cases are not dragged to the courts but are authenticated in recall. One of such cases is from Pune a rather popular which combined theft, threats and serious crime of harassment. In 2008 a girl Bhakti Naidu daughter of Surendra Naidu (Medical Officer with Pune University  with residence at university accommodation at Pimpri Chinchwad ) stole mobile of her classmate. FIR was lodged after the victim was issued threats from the girl. In the police proceedings all the phone calls between the girl and accused Bhakti were recorded.

 

The girl unaware of the recording in process, admitted that she stole the mobile while also  threatened the victim stating her father has band of goons from University of Pune as he provide employment to the poor. This raises the question over the sectional divide in India and power encrusted in hands of official. The complaint lodger was harassed by people in name of Surendra Naidu. The girl was warned not to disclose anyone about the mobile stealth. But mobiles get stolen daily, was the threat issued necessary which triggered the police proceeding. After the response the girl has been given permission to openly show or post copies of FIR to the public. The case was duly twisted by Bhakti Naidu who claimed her boyfriend Pankaj Singh promised to marry after getting her pregnant but refused to do so. This turned the case into a measure of necessitate rather than crime.  After enquiry it was confirmed that girl used to visit Pankaj Singh’s flat at Aundh Pune . She did not lodge any compliant against the guy who cheated her. Does one case proceeding  intertwined with another case impact the another independent case of stolen mobile? Lawyers from Maharashtra are truss with duality of the case.

 

Srikant More

Srikant More (Advocate)     03 July 2011

Against Pankaj Singh in favour of Bhakti Naidu  gave a complaint to the police with all the available documents and there are some cognizable and non-bailable offences committed by him and so the police will register FIR and take appropriate action.  If you want to make your case stronger, before filing complaint take the assistance of an experienced criminal lawyer, who will prepare the complaint with precise allegations and particulars of allegations - date, time and place of occurence of offence, so that it will become easy for the police to investigate the case easily and file the proper challan before the designated court.  On the prima-facie it appears that a case under Section 375 ( rape case - a weak case, as there is strong presumption that there is consensual physical relationship),Section 313 (miscarriage - strong case), Section 509 (to insult the modesty of woman - strong case for having your and his other girl friend's nude photographs), cheating etc.

Criminal cases certainly lie against him, but do not assume that by filing these cases you are going to get him as husband.  That will not be possible after filing criminal cases and he is also not worth for it.

There is another thread going on, on similar matter whether such act is rape as per IPC or not and the relief a victim has under those circumstances.  You also go through that thread before forming any opinion.

Raghav Sood (Lawyer)     11 July 2011

plaintiff didnot deny the correspondence it amounts to admission an admitted fact need not required to be proved the docment is good evidence can be marked as exhibit so that it can be read in evidence 

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Raghav Sood (Lawyer)     11 July 2011

in case of denial, the document can be put to him(plaintiff) at the time of cross examination he has to admit it if he does not deny correspondence. the document ipso facto become admissble in evidence.

another example if the deceased party "A" has signatures over it or if it bears his handwriting

well to prove its contents please refer to the section 47 of evidence act the person who is acquinted with the signatures or handwriting can prove the document of correspondence.

this answer is relevent if correspondence is in writing,

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Apprentice (Associate)     11 July 2011

Thanks Raghav...

Vinayak Parashar (Correspondent )     31 July 2011

Dear Lawyers and social workers

Who are we to teach morals or meaning of friendship to anyone or Bhakti Naidu? A person who cannot respect her father or mother is not capable of loving anyone. When I saw the mean girls movie, I though it’s about western culture girls who don’t get family values and cultural attributes. But in India we do not come across such inimitable cases. Only this element of the recordings is stodgy. The entire hullabaloo for Bhakti’s fashion fondness (her mini-skirts, boyfriends, parties, tops and model aspirations) in comparison with the other girl who was bit geeky, studious teacher’s pet and debater is different aspect like comparing chalk and cheese. Bhakti is on other hand a consummate western dancer and a fine socialite with presence in parties. There are different types of people with different priorities. Everyone is not a book worm or a nerd. We as a society do have the responsibility to accept all types of packs in our society. It’s all part of their personality penchant, not a discussion for the lawyers forum here. It’s all very inadequate. Yes so the girl lied to her boyfriend that she got campus placement in Symantec to clutch him as he was drifting away. Relationships are not a function of employment or capabilities but reciprocated understanding you share with each other. On basis of glamour or multinational bandwagon one might be able to attract but relationships thrive on our propensity to retain affection and concern. The idea that she was too young that time to understand or get into relationships is also bogus. So the other girl never gave single backlog paper, while Bhakti was getting all backlogs, but is it so important for us to know. Everyone has different capacity and capability to learn and perform. Mumbai Mirror Correspondent


(Guest)

Within decree of law and transmission of permissible recording the girl is openly sharing the telephone recordings. Do come and hear it with your own ears with signed copies of all documents to prove the case. Mobile was stolen on one day, 42 minutes after stealing she started dialing. She called two boys and flirted with them. All the phones were duly traced with the mobile number called, time of the call and duration of each call. After losing the phone the girl had informed the service provider and lodged a complaint of the theft, but Bhakti was unaware and calling all her contacts.

 

Usually its difficult to track phones but in this case , the girl was using the same SIM unwisely. Next day when SIM was blocked by the service provider for making calls, in steep reaction Bhakti called girl’s mom and went on and on about the importance of a mobile phone.

 

Moreover she said that the girl is totally negligent in caring about her things. Other girls keep mobiles safe in their bags but she treats it like trash. Each of the word is clearly there from Bhakti Naidu’s mouth can be heard in the recording. (Bhakti came the given year from some other college to Indira to complete BCA due to academic issues there, she had backlogs in all semesters )

 

So was Bhakti suffering from amnesia....the day she stole mobile she talked to her contacts while next day when SIM provider stops service, in reaction she calls to check at six in the morning to the girl’s mom for clever blame diversion. Irony of the statements & the recordings.

 

In the epic call where Bhaki threatened these words are clearly recorded.

“Mere papa ka na dimaak kiskaa hua hai . agar unhe koi sanak lag jayee toh kisi bhi had tak gir sakte hain. Main kisi ki koi cheez ghar pe dabaa ke rakh bhi loon , toh mere papa mujhe itna mante hain ki woh mujhe kuch nahin kahenge.”” Bhakti Naidu

 

“Hum log alag hai. Mere papa ke deccan mein bahut gunde hain. Raat mein khub drinking ... daru chalti hai. Tu mobile ke bare me mat soch . exam ke liye padh.” Bhakti Naidu

 

“mere papa ki pune university mein bahut chalti hai. Chote log toh kam pe lagwane ke liye unke aage piche ghumte rehte hain”- Bhakti Naidu

 

“Haan main mobile liya tha. Tuh toh meri Pankaj ke saath problem jaanti hain” -Bhakti Naidu

She clearly said on the phone that her father is a “lunatic”, “unprincipled” , “ drunkard “. Can you expect friendship or any honesty from a person who does not respect her father who brought her up with so much love and care. She always complained about her parents, faculty, friends and people. And which sector is “chote log”, aren’t we all equal.The girl whom Bhakti threatened is supporting one of my charities. In another clear recording Bhakti’s mom asked for the police papers. Yes they do have complete right over the criminal charges filed and proved against a person who also created panic by threatening. She comes from a double income well to do family. An auto wala in pune with less than Rs 5000 montly income was recently awarded in pune for returning a bag full of lakhs of cash. children of construction workers top the merit of India's toughest IPS & IAS exams.

Bhakti’s mother said “Aji Rs. 3000 ka toh mobile hai . Aap itna kya kar raheho” Now the price of the girl's dad mobile perchance has depreciated to Rs. 1000. Why did she threaten after stealing? She is from double income well to do family. Don’t consider the hearsay but the proofs signed by Bhakti and stamped by police dept. One media broadcast is sufficient for the mass effect sting action. We can have a recording replay with the said people in presence.

Geoff D Souza (Social Worker)     31 July 2011

Yes Vinayak is right. A mother does not leave a child when child gets diverted or in depraved course, so we have a society has the responsibility to nurture our children. She clearly disrespected her parents but she is a child who requires finding out about complexities of love, friendship and respect.  Do we all require merit holders but we also must encourage the offbeat career paths such as glamour business, modeling business (billion crores ) and dance choreography , fashion industry. Threatening was wrong on Bhakti’s part. Not everyone has same aptitude to learn and achieve. But a feisty girl, social butterfly with exceptional socialite skill, different dressing and dancing skills must be encouraged as a unique human being with difference.  


(Guest)

This is lawyer’s forum; here we discuss the legal responsibility of the proofs and permissions to transmit them. If one would consider the proofs, records, witness and recordings unlawful then entire purpose of judiciary system will go vague.  Tomorrow one would start claiming uproarious things about anyone without any corroboration. So the transmission and sharing is covered by RTI. I am not biased or related to anyone, but only believe in anything given to me after asking for substantiates. So I personally think that Bhakti’s recording transmission has to reach as many people as possible otherwise we as society will be encouraging social psychopaths  who nurture up from these children.  

The girl also went through awfully tough time as she was stalked this year, her wardrobes were ransacked and she was harassed by people in name of Naidu family, where no amount of tears helped. If another FIR was filed but sharing could prove to be a case clearer, it’s within law.  Distribution and transmission is legal when the conversation was in presence or between the given two people hereto.


(Guest)

Within decree of law and transmission of permissible recording the girl is openly sharing the telephone recordings.

Do come and hear it with your own ears with signed copies of all documents to prove the case. Mobile was stolen on one day, 42 minutes after stealing she started dialing.

She called two boys and flirted with them. All the phones were duly traced with the mobile number called, time of the call and duration of each call.

After losing the phone the girl had informed the service provider and lodged a complaint of the theft, but Bhakti was unaware and calling all her contacts. Usually its difficult to track phones but in this case , the girl was using the same SIM unwisely. Next day when SIM was blocked by the service provider for making calls, in steep reaction Bhakti called girl’s mom and went on and on about the importance of a mobile phone.

 

Moreover she said that the girl is totally negligent in caring about her things. Other girls keep mobiles safe in their bags but she treats it like trash. Each of the word is clearly there from Bhakti Naidu’s mouth can be heard in the recording. (Bhakti came the given year from some other college to Indira to complete BCA due to academic issues there, she had backlogs in all semesters )

 

So was Bhakti suffering from amnesia....the day she stole mobile she talked to her contacts while next day when SIM provider stops service, in reaction she calls to check at six in the morning to the girl’s mom for clever blame diversion. Irony of the statements & the recordings.

 

In the epic call where Bhaki threatened these words are clearly recorded.


“Mere papa ka na dimaak kiskaa hua hai . agar unhe koi sanak lag jayee toh kisi bhi had tak gir sakte hain. Main kisi ki koi cheez ghar pe dabaa ke rakh bhi loon , toh mere papa mujhe itna mante hain ki woh mujhe kuch nahin kahenge.”” Bhakti Naidu


“Hum log alag hai. Mere papa ke deccan mein bahut gunde hain. Raat mein khub drinking ... daru chalti hai. Tu mobile ke bare me mat soch . exam ke liye padh.” Bhakti Naidu

 

“mere papa ki pune university mein bahut chalti hai. Chote log toh kam pe lagwane ke liye unke aage piche ghumte rehte hain”- Bhakti Naidu

“Haan main mobile liya tha. Tuh toh meri Pankaj ke saath problem jaanti hain” -Bhakti Naidu

 

She clearly said on the phone that her father is a “lunatic”, “unprincipled” , “ drunkard “. Can you expect friendship or any honesty from a person who does not respect her father who brought her up with so much love and care. She always complained about her parents, faculty, friends and people. And which sector is “chote log”, aren’t we all equal.The girl whom Bhakti threatened is supporting one of my charities. In another clear recording Bhakti’s mom asked for the police papers. Yes they do have complete right over the criminal charges filed and proved against a person who also created panic by threatening. Bhakti’s mother said “Aji Rs. 3000 ka toh mobile hai . Aap itna kya kar raheho” Now the price of the girl's dad mobile perchance has depreciated to Rs. 1000. Why did she threaten after stealing? She is from double income well to do family.

 

Don’t consider the hearsay but the proofs signed by Bhakti and stamped by police dept. One media broadcast is sufficient for the mass effect sting action. We can have a recording replay with the said people in presence.

 

 

 

 

 


 

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(Guest)

Bhakti Naidu's  corporal relationship with her boyfriend and age of consent is a matter irrelevant  and inconsequential to the law.  Another person is not liable to counsel or adjudicate in her personal affairs.


(Guest)

Before we discuss about law & punishment related to ransackings which happened at girl's home or leaking of the JAVA paper. We must be reminded about normal course of law when caught red-handed for robbery of anything of any price (it was Nokia mobile worth 3500 , returned in police custody)

 

For Bhakti Naidu we have Indian Penal Code in her name . Section 379, punishment for theft.

 

"Whoever commits any theft shall be punished with imprisionmentb of either for a term which may exceed to three years, or with fine, or with both." if its a police verified case. Recordings of threat after stealth further increases the case.

 

When Bhakti Naidu (complete liablity fot the claim) was left without a word, the mother of girl reaquested not to scold Bhakti after father told her she is not eating. Only the request not to tell led to the ransackings at girl's home and supression when she was in office to distract her from work. There are people who forgive , there is limitation to forgiveness.


(Guest)

Other students and social workers may try hard to supress or deviate from the real cause of corruption. If students of Indira College of Commerce can testify and prove that not only Papers are stolen days before examination but also students are threatened.

The children of University employees cheat with books in the exams.

 

India's planning commision must take a hint from this.

 

 

 

 

We have many sets in Pune University examination paper. This time perhaps Bhakti Naidu (Indira College of Commerce daughter of medical officer in examination department , Pune University) could not get the right set when telling the paper in advance.

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Mere papa ki bahut chalti hai pune university mein"

 

 

 

Perhaps some chota log helped him to sneak the paper. All concept of education goes down the drain with Examination Paper Leak. Recordings are very crucial to Indian RTI Death of education system.

 

We are least interested in the symtoms such as Java, Symantec, Single Child, Teacher lost the project, chote logs, or whatever lies the girl Bhakti Naidu told, we are more interested in the threats and conversations in which Bhakti was telling everyone that her father has managed to get Java examination paper (Pune University , 2008) in advance a night before the exam, which sent shock waves among all students.

 

Ransackings happened at the girl's place because she knew too much. About six months back she registered a police complaint . Timeline in crucial to comprehend .


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