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498 A fighter (Advocate)     01 October 2012

Visitation

[1]Husband want visitation right for her kid.

[2] the kid is living with her mother at her parental house at nana nani house.

the question is " where husband meet to his kid?

if he go in laws house, town or cilty then it may possible that police may arrest him as her wife and inlaws will file a false complaint or they may have already filed it"
 there is risk for him.

can he demand to bring child to nearby cilty or in some other court ?

can court allow him to spare time with the child for one two or three day in a month ?

can he took his child to market or any other relative house?

any law is there beside custyou or ward act?

will his demand get fulfilled by court. how he make safe himself while visiting to his kid?

india me to andha kanoon hai aur kanoon ko kanoon hi tod sakta hai. aur phir rishwat khor police ka koi bharosa nahi . so what intellectual people do to fight such situation.



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stanley (Freedom)     01 October 2012

Originally posted by : aneesh trivedi


[1]Husband want visitation right for her kid.

So husband has to apply under gaurdians and wards act or if DV case is going on he can put an application for visitation rights .

[2] the kid is living with her mother at her parental house at nana nani house.

the question is " where husband meet to his kid?

if he go in laws house, town or cilty then it may possible that police may arrest him as her wife and inlaws will file a false complaint or they may have already filed it"
 there is risk for him.

Husband can ask for visitation in the same city ( parental house ) at a NGO at a police station are the last options as her side will object..... father is drunkard not good character criminal if kid is female that he may molest her if boy is involved than he may sodomise him etc last but not the least they may say kid does not want to meet the father .

can he demand to bring child to nearby cilty or in some other court ?

yes he can ask for child to be brought in family court premises 

can court allow him to spare time with the child for one two or three day in a month ?

why not although it would be met with resistance from opposite side 

can he took his child to market or any other relative house?

he can provided visitation is awarded not under supervision 

any law is there beside custyou or ward act?

will his demand get fulfilled by court. how he make safe himself while visiting to his kid?

Depends how your lawyer pleads for his demands to get fullfilled 


india me to andha kanoon hai aur kanoon ko kanoon hi tod sakta hai. aur phir rishwat khor police ka koi bharosa nahi . so what intellectual people do to fight such situation.

 

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Tajobsindia (Senior Partner )     01 October 2012

  

Originally posted by : aneesh trivedi

 

[1]Husband want visitation right for her kid.
Take: File appropriate visitation application in jurisdiction Court.

[2] the kid is living with her mother at her parental house at nana nani house.
Take: Noted.

the question is "where husband meet to his kid?
Take: Noted and respective query replied hereinafter;

if he go in laws house, town or cilty then it may possible that police may arrest him as her wife and inlaws will file a false complaint or they may have already filed it"there is risk for him.
Take: There is a relief in Law called AB. Seek such relief before hand.

can he demand to bring child to nearby cilty or in some other court ?
Take: No not currently. If custody is decided and father looses the custody and wife is overseas and visitation is granted in favour of wife then in that case he can pray before Court to order wife to bring child to XYZ city / place as per visitation ordered since now the wife is living overseas.

can court allow him to spare time with the child for one two or three day in a month ?
Take: It depends on what one pleads and how one pleads in specific Application relating to visitation before concerned Court.

can he took his child to market or any other relative house?
Take: Same as above.

any law is there beside custody or ward act?
Take: If case under HMA then S. 26 HMA. If main case under DV Act then under S. 21 DV Act. If main case under S. 125 CrPC then by a mere Application relief for visitation can be prayed respectively.

will his demand get fulfilled by court. how he make safe himself while visiting to his kid?
Take: Demand is not word to use before Court in sensitive matters under child visitation / custody respectively. AB is one option to feel safe followed by Regular Bail.

XXX

so what intellectual people do to fight such situation.
Take: More or less same as suggested above!

 


However, have you ever thought from across
Indian Ocean to engage on retainership basis an Advocate from reference or searching one from LCI database? Reason being free INTERNET legal forums has peculiar limitations and then question of supporting bread and butter for fellow professionals is also ethical after thought J

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498 A fighter (Advocate)     01 October 2012

No DV case is going on only 498A is running since last three years in mean time wife came and baby born and again she left with baby ?

here husband can file cruelty case on wife?

how one and half year kid say dont want to meet father? it is direct blind misuse of law and what will be the defence in this case?

stanley (Freedom)     01 October 2012

Originally posted by : aneesh trivedi


No DV case is going on only 498A is running since last three years in mean time wife came and baby born and again she left with baby ?

Than Gaurdians and wards act is there ,

here husband can file cruelty case on wife?

Nope 

how one and half year kid say dont want to meet father? it is direct blind misuse of law and what will be the defence in this case?

If you browse  Mr Tajobs posts in custody section you will get the answers .Normally brain washing /Hostile aggressive parenting /Parent alienation  syndrome are the factors where in a kid will say he does not want to meet the father . The option is for your lawyer is to pead that it is case of  (HAP/PAS)  and maybe tell the court to send the child to a court appointed Psychiatrist/ physcologist and get the symptoms of the above and hence plead for visitation. you can always rebute by saying fine child is not willing to go with the father ,hence n say tomorrow child will say she does not want to go to school will the court allow this :)

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Tajobsindia (Senior Partner )     01 October 2012

  

Originally posted by : aneesh trivedi

 

No DV case is going on only 498A is running since last three years in mean time wife came and baby born and again she left with baby ?
Take: It is a fact / brief of yours not a question!

here husband can file cruelty case on wife?
Take: Yes, using it as ground for divorce. But how can you tell us

how one and half year kid say dont want to meet father? it is direct blind misuse of law and what will be the defence in this case?
Take: It is your self assumption, for that age kido they hardly speak clearly Ma -
Pa. The misuse here is without consent leaving matrimonial home with new born according to me. What defense you want as remedy? I suggest be offensive which is first rule of art of war of roses anyhow you have lost marital bliss so what is remaining in your life i.e. your flesh and blood a child for your posterity remembrance is the only cause remaining to fight head on. Which we call adversial Law a person falls into under common Law followed countries. .

 


@ Stanley,

For PAS international jurisprudence states minimum age to recommend studies / accept bare minimum allegations in Court is arouind 9 years whereas in India it is taken 12 years onwards. While in DSM IV in their un-reaserched study it says three months or longer while between the ages of 6 months to 5 years old which is peer reviewed study. These allegations and recommending a study via an Indian Court are like taking Lord Hanuman's Leap - do you agree !

To the best of my recall only one natural father succeeded on above lines that also at Hon'ble SC level and he is none other than Dr. Ashish Ranjan somewhere around mid 2008 with around 41 page main Appeal supported by tons of real time studies as annexure. He was meant to win it which is bottom line.


Originally posted by : stanley

 

When say is given by opposite cousel that  a 9 year old or a 12 year old child does not want to meet the father than whats the defence or stand to be taken or how can it be pleaded . 

Although the judge would call the child in the chamber for an interview and try to check if the child is brain washed !!

 


Appreciate your kind question.

Henceforth, lots of natural father’s generic questions are tackled herein. Suggested to have a bare reading it down once, since, it saves lots of free forum bandwiddths;

https://www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/Divorce-poison-protecting-the-parent-child-bond-67158.asp

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stanley (Freedom)     01 October 2012

Originally posted by : Tajobsindia
 


@ Stanley,

For PAS international jurisprudence states minimum age to recommend studies / accept bare minimum allegations in Court is arouind 9 years whereas in India it is taken 12 years onwards. While in DSM IV in their un-reaserched study it says three months or longer while between the ages of 6 months to 5 years old which is peer reviewed study. These allegations and recommending a study via an Indian Court are like taking Lord Hanuman's Leap - do you agree !

Agreed 


To the best of my recall only one natural father succeeded on above lines that also at Hon'ble SC level and he is none other than Dr. Ashish Ranjan somewhere around mid 2008 with around 41 page main Appeal supported by tons of real time studies as annexure. He was meant to win it which is bottom line.

great achievement

 

stanley (Freedom)     01 October 2012

Mr Tajobs . 

When say is given by opposite cousel that  a 9 year old or a 12 year old child does not want to meet the father than whats the defence or stand to be taken or how can it be pleaded . 

Although the judge would call the child in the chamber for an interview and try to check if the child is brain washed !!

498 A fighter (Advocate)     01 October 2012

@ stanely and @ Tajobsindia

by reading your view , i realie that again it is very tough battle to get "VISITATION OF CHILD"

if wife misuses the law and decide that on any cost she wont allow her husband to see the face of child then it will very difficult of simple or normal husband who was already dying by false 498A.

here i came to know that the situation or case can become so complex and thats why husband left their childeren to wife side and just forget that they are father. but this is not good for our society  if the trend incerase the god know what happen ?

and it seems to fight with 498A is much simple then to fight with for getting childs visitation

after all she wish that husband beg in front of her in either by emotion of child  she suceed.

@tajobsindia However, have you ever thought from across Indian Ocean to engage on retainership basis an Advocate from reference or searching one from LCI database? Reason being free INTERNET legal forums has peculiar limitations and then question of supporting bread and butter for fellow professionals is also ethical after thought

tajobsindia sir " it is not the case sir my younger brother and father both are adovcate in high court , though internet is free and i know legal forums has peculiar limitations so here i would like to add

there is encyclopedia and wikepedia on every word and person get knowledge form free internet , also there is lot of thngs related to sceince and maths , every one having computer and on every subject DVD, CD also available so this does not mean that teacher will not sevive or there will the question for their bread and butter.No one will take the place of teacher similarly no one will replace the advocate in court,

there is lot of printing materials are available but the use of pencil or pen is still there no pencil , pen seller is having problem of bread and butter.

i think it is a ocean of knowlege more you add more it increase.

here we post such question which are really required skill , intelligence and knowledge, you are form the feild of law that why you are worryng that if you solve the querries than there would be the problem of bread and butter to adovcates.
 but the man is real knowledable man who gave the exact solution , and if those advocates and lawyers fear by LIC forum then they are not confident on them selves . and they should ban LIC forum.

sorry tajobsindia sir if i mistakely hurt you by this , these are my views only on yours statement.

Never Give Up (Fighter)     01 October 2012

Originally posted by : aneesh trivedi

@ stanely and @ Tajobsindia

by reading your view , i realie that again it is very tough battle to get "VISITATION OF CHILD"

if wife misuses the law and decide that on any cost she wont allow her husband to see the face of child then it will very difficult of simple or normal husband who was already dying by false 498A.

 

 

Trivediji,

 

From the statement above, i feel that You have given up even before you start. Asking for peace in the middle of war doesnt lead you anywhere. Somebody will come and kill / harm if you dont fight back is my thoughts.

 

Lawyers here helps in a good faith and shows a right direction , its ultimately the individual who has to fight for their own purpose. I do have high regards for the lawyers who spare their precious time for helping harassed people.

 

Chuck out all fear and fight !

 

P.S. Me too fighting 498A,DV and Child visitation cases.

498 A fighter (Advocate)     01 October 2012

@Never Give Up

sir ,

i had not given up, sir also you again just give me energy to boost up? i will fight if no according to law then out of law:--

i just said those line because if we fight by law honestly then after win there is no importance of acheivements ? except to say i won! and no one have so much patience suppose if i am fighting for my baby then when i will win at that time she will grew up and if she will came at that time till then i lost all her valuable moments of childhood by such cruel b*tch immoral uneducated egoestic rigid lady and of course becoz of slow process of law and now life span is too short. if i not get justice by law then i do justice by my own so i never give up sooner or later i will win?

secondly i also have lot of respect for lawyers adovcates here i would like to share you one thing

first of all my father is highcourt advocate second my brother is also working as a criminal lawyer in high court and third i also studied LLB but after second year i joined computer so i did not completed my LLB.

my uncle is dealing my case , so i am from the family of advocates you may have  respect for lawyers but respect and regard to them is in my blood. mai ye nahi kah raha ki mai jada bada hu aapse bata raha hu.

aur maine ye forum bhi isliye join kiya hai ki jada se jada in logo ke sath interact ho saku, maine LLb join kiya hi tha isliye ki mai bhi inke jaisa kaam karu. my father was idol, so repeating here your word and thank you by for thsi that " I do have high regards for the lawyers who spare their precious time for helping harassed people."

and i thank you that you have such feeling for advocates and lawyers.

498 A fighter (Advocate)     01 October 2012

@Never Give Up

i will defininitely P.S. you the citation judgemnt related to it if you have then you also share with me.

stanley (Freedom)     03 October 2012

stanley (Freedom)     03 October 2012

 

Mother is not always the Natural Guardian - Kumar Jahgirdar case Judgement

 
CASE NO.: Special Leave Petition (civil) 4230-4231 of 2003
PETITIONER: Kumar V. Jahgirdar
RESPONDENT: Chethana Ramatheertha
DATE OF JUDGMENT: 29/01/2004
BENCH: Shivaraj V. Patil & D.M. Dharmadhikari.
JUDGMENT: Dharmadhikari J.
In these two appeals, the subject matter of dispute between the married couple, now separated by decree of divorce obtained on mutual consent under the provisions of Hindu Marriage Act, 1955, is their rival claim to the exclusive custody of their daughter Aaruni who is now little above 9 years of age and is prosecuting her education in a well-known school in the city of Bangalore where the parties reside.
After obtaining divorce on mutual consent, the wife Smt. Chethana Ramatheertha is re-married to Mr. Anil Kumble, a Cricketer of national and international repute. The Family Court of Bangalore by its judgment dated 20.4.2002, after considering the evidence led by the parents of the child, came to the conclusion that as the wife is re-married to a famous cricketer and is leading a different style of life involving frequent tours with her second husband for attending cricket events, there is likelihood of child developing distance and dislike for her natural father. The exclusive custody of the child was directed to be given to the natural father with only right of visitations to the mother on every week on Sunday between 10 A.M. to 8 P.M. and to keep the child with her overnight on two Sundays in a month with prior intimation to her former husband.
The High Court, in appeal, by its impugned judgment dated 27.1.2003, has, however, taken a different view and reversed thejudgment of the Family Court. On the basis of evidence on record, the Division Bench of High Court has formed an opinion that in the absence of compelling reasons and circumstances, the mother cannot be deprived of the company of the child to the detriment of the interest of the child. The High Court, therefore, set aside the judgment of the family court and directed that the mother should continue to retain exclusive custody of the child with visitation rights to her former husband. The former husband is allowed to keep the child on week ends either on Saturday or Sunday from morning till evening and he can also be with the child during half the period of vacations in the school. The stay of child with each of them during half of the vacations, is to be shared by the two parents under mutual agreement. The father is also allowed to visit the child as and when he likes with the prior intimation and mutual arrangements with the mother. The parties are also given liberty to seek necessary modifications in the arrangement evolved by the High Court. 
For deciding the controversy regarding the custody of the child, only few more facts are relevant and required to be stated.
The parties were married in the year 1986 at Mysore and had a married life for more than 12 years. The child Aaruni was born to them on 07.12.1994. When the child was little about two years old, the wife took a job in Trans Oceanic Travels. Their marriage broke down in the year 1998 when the wife left her matrimonial home and sent a notice through her lawyer that she was unwilling to live with her husband. On a joint petition, filed by the parties in the Family Court for dissolution of marriage by mutual consent, a decree of divorce was passed on 17.4.1999. The separated parents, in accordance with the conditions of divorce by consent, agreed to their appointment as joint guardians with periodic custody of the child. They also agreed to keep the child alternatively in every week. As per the mutual arrangement agreed between the couple, the wife took custody of the child for a week in the year 1999. She soon thereafter got re-married to famous cricketer Mr. Anil Kumble on Ist July, 1999 and went out of the country with her second husband leaving the child under the custody of her former husband. On return from abroad with her second husband, she filed an application in the Family Court on 12.8.1999 seeking exclusive custody of the child. The Family Court rejected her application and the High Court, in revision, only granted liberty to the parties to approach the Family Court for alteration or modification of the terms of consent decree of divorce. Thereafter, the wife moved a petition again to the Family Court for altering the conditions of divorce. During pendency of those proceedings, with the permission of the Family Court, she took the child with her while on tours with her
second husband.
A counter application was filed by the present petitioner/her former husband Shri Kumar V. Jahgirdar for exclusive custody of the child on the ground that he being the natural guardian and having remained unmarried with sole aim to bring up the child in congenial atmosphere was better suited to be entrusted with her custody. It was stated that the re-marriage of the wife is detrimental to the welfare of the child.
The wife from her side filed repeated applications in Family Court seeking permission to take the child to foreign countries on tours with her second husband. The Family Court granted such permissions but on certain conditions.
The wife went up by revision petition to the High Court and the High Court directed that the child should be placed in the custody of mother for a continuous period of one year. When the present petitioner/her former husband appealed, this Court, after hearing the learned counsel appearing for the parties, by order dated 18.4.2003 made an interim arrangement pending final orders on the pending applications of the parties before the Family Court, Bangalore. The mother was allowed to retain custody of the child with visitation rights granted to the former husband every week on Saturday and Sunday.
It was also directed that during pendency of the cases before the family court, if the mother is required to go out of the country, she will not carry the child with her but leave the child in the custody of her former husband during her absence. The family court was directed to decide the case within four months.
The family court in its judgment dated 20.4.2002 granted exclusive custody of the child to the former husband with only right of weekly visitations to the mother on the grounds inter alia that the mother is re-married to a famous cricketer whereas the former husband is still unmarried and his nature of business as a Stock Broker is such that he is able to give required attention to the rearing of the child. The family court also, on the basis of apprehensions raised in evidence on behalf of the former husband, came to the conclusion that custody of child with natural father would rule out possibility of attempts on the part of the mother and her second husband to induce or create ill-will in the mind of the child towards her natural father. The family court also recorded that during long periods when the girl child lived with her natural father, she herself expressed satisfaction and happiness.
The wife appealed against the judgment of the family court to the High Court. The child was interviewed twice by the Hon'ble Judges of the High Court on 20.11.2002 and 05.12.2002. On the basis of interviews with the child who is school going and aged about 9 years, the High Court recorded in its judgment that the child expressed no dislike or negative feelings towards any of her natural parents or her step father. The High Court after examining the evidence on record and interviewing the child, came to the conclusion that in the absence of any compelling or adverse circumstances, the natural mother cannot be deprived of the exclusive custody of a growing female child.
The judgment of the family court has been upset by giving exclusive custody of the child to the natural mother with  visitation rights on week ends to the natural father on timings mentioned in the order. Aggrieved by the order of the High Court, the former husband is, in appeal, before us.
Learned senior counsel, Shri S.S. Javali appearing on behalf of the petitioner/former husband took great pains by taking us through the record of the case and particularly the relevant parts of the depositions of the estranged couple and the second husband of the wife. He severely criticised certain general remarks and statements made by the High Court in the impugned judgment such as that 'mother has an absolute right to keep company of the child unless deprivation of it is required for compelling reasons'. It is argued that such an erroneous approach on the part of the High Court, has resulted in upsetting a just and very well-reasoned judgment of the family court.
From the arguments advanced on behalf of the former husband, what we have been able to gather as more important circumstances set up against allowing the wife to retain the custody of the child inter alia are that the wife is re-married to a cricket celebrity and has a style of life which requires frequent foreign tours, exposure to public life and media. There is also possibility of the child being brain-washed to keep distance from the natural father. On the behaviour of the child during her interviews on two occasions, as has been recorded by the High Court Judges, submission made is that it might have been so due to psychological counselling given to the child. It is stated that during one of her interviews, a psychologist was found to be accompanying her to the court before she child entered the Chamber of the Judges for interview. On behalf of the wife, the learned counsel stoutly denied any such happening during hearing in court.
On behalf of the former husband, learned counsel then very strenuously submitted that his client has remained unmarried with one single aim to rear and bring up his child in a congenial atmosphere of love and affection which he alone can guarantee. In the present status and style of life of his former wife, it is submitted that the former husband was rightly held by the family court to be a preferable parent to keep custody of the child. The father is also financially well-off and has already acquired movable and immovable properties as also deposited cash in the name of the child to ensure best of care and education to her.
We have also heard learned senior counsel, Shri Gopal Subramanium appearing on behalf of the wife, who has supported the impugned judgment of the High Court and submits that the past conduct of the wife and her second husband throughout the proceedings in these cases belies the apprehension of the former husband that the child's mind would be poisoned against him. The apprehension is stated to be completely baseless and imaginary. 
Learned counsel assures on behalf of Mr. Anil Kumble, the second husband of the wife, that he would continue to extend same love to the child and cooperation to the natural parents as he has been doing throughout in the past so that the child gets the best of care, affection and education for her proper upbringing. It is submitted that as has been desired by the High Court with the conditions imposed in its orders, the parties would faithfully and sincerely continue with the existing arrangement without any detriment to their mutual interests and the interest of the child.
After hearing the learned counsel appearing for the parties at sufficient length and having bestowed our careful consideration to the observations and conclusions reached by the family court and the High Court in their respective judgments, we do not find any ground to substantially upset the judgement of the High Court containing the arrangements made therein for the custody of the child and the rights of visitation granted to the natural father.
We make it clear that we do not subscribe to the general observations and comments made by the High Court in favour of mother as parent to be always a preferable to the father to retain custody of the child. In our considered opinion, such generalisation in favour of the mother should not have been made. We, however, do not find that the judgment of the High Court is based solely on one consideration that between two parents, the mother always can claim superior right to retain the custody of the child. The High Court has taken into consideration all other relevant facts and circumstances to come to the conclusion that female child of growing age needs company more of her mother compared to the father and remarriage of the mother is not a disqualification for it. The conclusion of the High Court seems to be just and proper in safeguarding the interest of the child.
Without going into the allegations, counter allegations and misapprehensions expressed against each other, on the paramount consideration of best safeguarding the interest of the child, in our opinion, the judgement of the High Court giving exclusive custody of the child to the mother and visitation rights to the natural father deserves to be maintained with little modification for the following reasons :-
1. The child is, at present, 9 years of age and on advent of puberty. This is the age in which she requires more care and attention of the mother. Mother, at this age of the child, deserves to continue to keep the custody of the female child. She is reported to have given up her service and now leading life of a house-wife. The progress report of Aaruni from the Sophia High School, Bangalore, indicates that she is very good at studies and has a bright educational career.
2. It is reported that the wife is presently on the family way. The prospect of arrival of the second child in the family of the wife is another circumstance which would be in favour of the present child. 
3. The petitioner lives alone with his father. There are no female members living jointly with him although he may have female relations in the city but that would not ensure constant company, care and attention to the female child.
4. The petitioner/natural father is a busy Stock Broker allegedly carrying on his business with aid of on-line computer but it cannot be said that in the course of his business, he has not to remain out of residence for attending his office and other business engagements.
5. The apprehension expressed against the second husband that he might poison the mind of the child and create ill-will towards natural father is not borne out from the evidence on record. On the contrary, the second husband in his deposition has made statements evincing a very cooperative and humane attitude on his part towards the problem of the estranged couple and the child. We find that apprehension expressed against the second husband is without foundation. The parents of the child have separated by mutual consent without making any vicious allegation against each other. They also agreed under the express terms of the consent decree of divorce to take responsibility of bringing up their child as her joint guardians. This gesture of decency and cooperation in jointly looking after the child has to continue. In this mutual agreement of separated couple, on behalf of second husband, it is assured to us that he would continue to give his unreserved cooperation and help and would do nothing as to spoil the relationship or intimacy of the child with the natural father.
6. The visitation rights given to the natural father, in the present circumstances, also do not require any modification because with the passage of time, the growing child should eagerly wait for the company of his father as a happy and enjoyable moment rather than treat it as a part of empty ritual or duty. To make visitation rights of natural father effective and meaningful for proper growth of the child, active cooperation of both the parents and her step father is expected and we hope it would not be found wanting from any one of them.
7. Since the mother of the child is married to a famous cricketer, as and when she leaves the country on tour with her husband during school days or vacation period of the child without taking the child with her, in stead of leaving the child to the care and custody of some other member of the family, the custody of the child during her absence from her home shall be given to the natural father. 
With the above observations and modification, we maintain the judgment of the High Court. The two appeals are, thus, disposed of. As all the parties, before us, are highly educated, cultured, of modern outlook, well-off and having so far conducted themselves decently and courteously towards each other, we hope, in future as well they will continue same attitude and conduct for maintaining their cordial relationships and extend full cooperation in safeguarding the interest of the child in best possible manner. 
Looking to the nature of the case and the position of the parties, they are directed to bear their own costs and expenses incurred in these appeals.
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498 A fighter (Advocate)     03 October 2012

@stanley

sir thanku but dont you thing that it is a unique case and also it is a case related to celebrity anil kumble so it has given more weigtage and imprtiality but for normal people the condition is just reverse as here on mahek soni post of visitation on you said "

Originally posted by : stanley
application put for visit + maint one by one than = + WS given + argument + lawyer's  absent in between + judge absent in between etc and etc and you would be spending minimum 5 years on your case  

i also gave reply to it But what a normal person or say poor person can do ?he not having that much money, patience and when he win at that time his feeling finished toward his child.

do dont you think here that if dispute is between couples then child should be given simulatanous custody periodically of one month one year whatever may be condition,

just like old parents to their sons


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