Speaking order
Guest
(Querist) 10 January 2015
This query is : Resolved
Under ccs(cca) rules, the appellate authority has just confirmed the penalty imposed by the disciplinary authority. THE PRELIMINARY/TECHNICAL objections raised in the Appeal have not been addressed and the order of the Appellate Authority is not a SPEAKING ORDER. Appeal in CAT may take long time.
WHAT IS THE REMEDY?
Can the matter be referred to Boss of the Appellate Authority before approaching CAT?
Devajyoti Barman
(Expert) 10 January 2015
You can go in writ petition but the HC may refer it to CAT again.
Guest
(Querist) 10 January 2015
Thans Barman Sir.
Can the matter be referred to Boss of the Appellate Authority before approaching CAT?
Devajyoti Barman
(Expert) 10 January 2015
If there is provision for Intra-Departmental Appeal then you can certainly do so.
Guest
(Expert) 10 January 2015
Mr. Sandeep Kumar,
As a proprietor of a firm, you are not governed by CCS (CCA) Rules.
Guest
(Querist) 10 January 2015
Dhingra Ji, I have already requested you not to waste your Precious time and energy on my queries.
Who has told you I am a proprietor of a firm?
Rajendra K Goyal
(Expert) 10 January 2015
Dear author,
If you are not ready to clarify the questions raised and not satisfied / happy with the reply of senior expert PS Dhingra ji, send PM to expert regarding your query to that particular expert, from whom you want reply, in spite of posting such comments on facts revealed by senior expert. You are not supposed to direct which expert should reply and what should be the reply?
Guest
(Expert) 10 January 2015
Mr. Sandeep,
I don't mind if my precious time is wasted in showing reality to the querists. I have told you what is the reality, when rules don't apply on you, as a proprietor of a firm. But, it is only you who don't want to reveal your real identity, whether you are a proprietor, a student, or an agent, who takes experts opinion to earn out of that from the persons facing the real problem?
Your problem is, in spite of your being at the receiving end, still you want to dictate terms to those from whom you have the desire to take help. For your information, no ban has yet been imposed on me to post my views on the issues raised by any of the querits.
Kumar Doab
(Expert) 10 January 2015
@ Author,
Shri.P.S.Dhingra is one of the most competent Experts rendering his free consultation to the affected ones at LCI and also the expert in rules that you quoted.
You yourself has posted you as 'Proprietor'.
You have initiated many threads and in all threads you have been advised by the gentle and competent members and experts...........and Shri Dhingra has rendered concise,precise, and specific advise.........
but you have been rude not only in this thread but other threads as well ...........and
Expert Mr. Barman has already indicated that 'Let there be no reply'.
When you are seeking some advise on complex legal situations ........you should be courteous to the experts that are helping you.
It is in the Forum Rules also posted by the admin. and the 'Abuse'button.......
May we ask you to remain gentle,polite and courteous.
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Guest
(Expert) 10 January 2015
Well Advised by Expert Mr.Kumar Doab.
Devajyoti Barman
(Expert) 10 January 2015
Yes, any insult to any of the experts would not be tolerated.
Author must apologise for his comment on Dhingraji.
Guest
(Querist) 12 January 2015
BEFORE FORMING ANY OPINION, RESPECTED EXPERTS ARE REQUESTED TO GO THROUGH ALL POSTS OF MR DHINGRA AGAINST MY QUERIES RAISED AT THIS FORUM.
Guest
(Querist) 16 January 2015
I FEEL THAT THIS IS INJUSTICE TO ME THAT the above experts, who have commented against me but have not shown any interest in MY ABOVE REQUEST.
Mr. Dhingra has gone to the extent of labelling me "an agent, who takes experts opinion to earn out of that from the persons facing the real problem."
The Objective of this Esteemed Interactive Forum is to solve ticklish queries for the benefit of general public, which respected experts are doing. Such queries need to be encouraged.
Guest
(Expert) 16 January 2015
Mr. Sandeep,
Instead of revealing your identity, you are just trying to mislead the other community members by alleging me that I have labled you as agent. Better re-read my post, I just asked you who are you out of the three categories, "whether you are a proprietor, a student, or an agent, who takes experts opinion to earn out of that from the persons facing the real problem?"
My earlier reply was quite simple in view of your own profile based identity that, "as a proprietor of a firm, you are not governed by CCS (CCA) Rules."
Contrarily, it is only you, who issued a directive for me saying, "Dhingra Ji, I have already requested you not to waste your Precious time and energy on my queries. Who has told you I am a proprietor of a firm?" You should know that when you post a query in a open forum to seek some help, you cannot be a chooser who should respond and who should not respond to your query, as you cannot bind the members to obey your directions. I hope you are well vesed with a popular saying about who should not be the chosers."
About your query, "Who has told you I am a proprietor of a firm," it is nobody, except YOU WHO TOLD ME THROUGH YOUR OWN PROFILE, as created by you only on 29.12.2012 that you are a proprietor. Your identity, as a "PROPRIETOR" is available still today with your name in your profile.
So, when you are not a central Government employee to whom CCS (CCA) Rules apply, for what purpose, as a proprietor of some private firm, you have posted such an irrelevant & unrelated query, which could have been asked either by an employee of the Central Government, or as a law student, to solve his academic query of the law school, or as an agent to earn through the knowledge of the experts here. That is why, you were asked to reveal your real identity than trying to befool the community members. When, as per you, you are not a proprietor, with what purpose you have shown yourself as a proprietor, except for cheating point of view. When you are not coming forward whether you are a law student that suggests that either you are a law student or an agent.
BUT, YOU ARE STILL SILENT ON THAT ISSUE AND MAKING EVASIVE & IRRELEVANT POSTS WITHOUT JUSTIFYING YOUR STAND JUST TO MISLEAD & CHEAT THE OTHER COMMUNITY MEMBERS ON YOUR PART.
Even your presenty observation is not wholly correct, as you state, "the objective of this Esteemed Interactive Forum is to solve ticklish queries for the benefit of general public, which respected experts are doing." This forum is meant to solve the problem of the needy and concerned persons, not expecting the experts to start tutorials for general public or the people like you, who try to mislead and cheat the experts by misrepresenting themselves, what actually they are not. SO, NOW CAN YOU REVEAL YOUR REAL IDENTITY FOR THE INFORMATION OF ALL THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS FROM WHOM YOU EXPECT ANSWERS TO YOUR TOTALLY UNRELATED QUERIES, WHICH ARE NOT YOUR OWN PROBLEMS?
Guest
(Querist) 16 January 2015
Mind your language Mr, Dhingra "...CHEAT THE OTHER COMMUNITY MEMBERS ON YOUR PART" or "...or the people like you, who try to mislead and cheat the experts..." What has been cheated of you or for that matter of any body by my queries.
If you feel you are cheated, why do you touch my queries?
Guest
(Expert) 16 January 2015
Mr. Sandeep,
Your problem is you try to be oversmart, but expose yourself to much extent. There would have no occasion to warn me about the language had you made the community members aware of what you are, (1) a proprietor, which you have shown in your own profile, but have denied when you asked me through your own post 5 days ago, "Who has told you I am a proprietor of a firm?" So, if not trying to cheat, why you disclaim what you have shown in your own profile? (2) You are not clarifying whether you are a student, as being a proprietor, you cannot be a Central Government employee governed by the CCS (CCA) Rules on which topic your query has been posted. If you are a Central Government employee or a student, why you are shy to clear your position even on asking repeatedly? Moreover, almost all of your queries in the past were not your own problems and were of the type of academic queries, as if from a law student. (3) If you are neither a proprietor, nor a Central Government employee, nor a law student, which other category remains there when you have no concern with the matter pertaining to the CCS (CCA) Rules about which you have made a query?
Even through my last post I asked you again, "NOW CAN YOU REVEAL YOUR REAL IDENTITY FOR THE INFORMATION OF ALL THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS FROM WHOM YOU EXPECT ANSWERS TO YOUR TOTALLY UNRELATED QUERIES, WHICH ARE NOT YOUR OWN PROBLEMS?"
BUT STILL, instead of revealing your identity, you have preferred to warn me to mind my language.
If you are really honest, not a cheater, why you refrain from revealing your true identity?
Guest
(Querist) 17 January 2015
Mr. Dhingra,
Is there any restriction on this site that the query must be related to the querist only and none else?
Guest
(Expert) 17 January 2015
Mr. Sandeep,
Before expecting any reply to your query, "is there any restriction on this site that the query must be related to the querist only and none else", you may first reply to my query, are the experts on this site your paid servants that they must reply your unconcerned vague academic queries without knowing you, your concern and the purpose of asking such queries?
Your evasive posts on my question can't justify your position. If someone wants help from experts, the experts also have the right to know who is the querist and for what purpose he needs any help. So, you must also be honest towards the experts by revealing his true identity. The experts are supposed to provide help to the helpless fellows, who really face some legal problems.
The querist should not expect the experts to hold tutorial classes for the querists when he has no need and concern with the issue.
If you want to enhance your general knowledge, you may better buy text and guide books on law, which are available in the open market.
Guest
(Querist) 17 January 2015
Mr. Dhingra,
What type of language are you using!
"...are the experts on this site your paid servants that they must reply your unconcerned vague academic queries..."
Guest
(Expert) 17 January 2015
So, now you would teach me language also? Should I get your approval about language before making any query to you?
Guest
(Querist) 17 January 2015
Not at all please.
Guest
(Querist) 18 January 2015
Mr. Dhingra,
But you must not use that type of language which you do not expect from others to be used for you.
Guest
(Querist) 18 January 2015
FOR ADMINISTRATOR OF THIS SITE
At the outset, I must Compliment that this site is doing a great service to the Nation. Respected Experts are doing Yeoman's service.
Please inform
1. Is there any restriction on this site that the query must be related to the querist only and he cannot raise queries on behalf of others i.e. close relatives, friends, known to etc., who are real sufferers and need advice from respected experts of this site on complicated issues faced by them but do not have account on this site and are not computer literates?
2. What Criteria has been fixed for terming a query as "ACADEMIC' on this site?
Kumar Doab
(Expert) 18 January 2015
Repeated at:
http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/Revision-review-115413.asp#.VLtLFISUcqM
Guest
(Expert) 18 January 2015
Mr. Sandeep,
Thanks for your direction that I MUST NOT use that type of language, which is not relished by you. But, it would also have been better, if you suggest, what exact language I would have used, if I wanted to know from you if the experts on this site are considered your paid servants that they must reply your unconcerned vague academic queries without knowing you, your concern and the purpose of asking such queries?
Also, you could have made clear if there is any restriction for the experts to know the purpose of asking such a query, which is not even remotely related to any of your problem?
You may also advise me, what was wrong in my reply to your query, "as a proprietor of a firm, you are not governed by CCS (CCA) Rules" when you have not stated why you are interested to ask a query about Central Government servants, when you are not a Government employee?
Guest
(Expert) 18 January 2015
@ADMINISTRATOR OF THE SITE
If you please make a review of queries made so far by the author, almost all those queries DO NOT have any concern with any of his personal problems. That clearly suggests that he is in the habit of exploiting the free voluntary service of the experts seemingly for some of his hidden personal benefits.
When he is asked some query he provocative language and issues unwarranted directives for the experts, as if they are bound to obey his directions without even having the right to know his intentions for raising his unrelated and vague questions. EVIDENTLY HIS INTENTIONS ARE TO MISUSE THE SERVICES OF THIS SITE AS WELL AS THE EXPERTS, WHILE THEY INTEND TO SOLVE THE PERSONAL PROBLEMS OF THE NEEDY PERSONS WHO CANNOT AFFORD PRIVATE PAID CONSULTATIONS.
Profile of such type of misusers of services of this site and the experts need be deleted.
Kumar Doab
(Expert) 18 January 2015
Experts and Admin.:::::
While you decide please go thru all threads mentioned above and the latest thread at:
http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/Revision-review-115413.asp
Guest
(Expert) 18 January 2015
Thanks Mr. Kumar. That link also shows an example of his little understanding and excessive arrogance on his part.
Guest
(Querist) 18 January 2015
Yes, Experts and Admin., do consider request of Mr. Kumar Doab, as mentioned above.
I must clarify that Mr. Dhingra is the only expert, who is having problem with my queries and is poisoning minds of other experts. Further, he is not minding his language in spite of specifically being asked to do so. His remarks above "EVIDENTLY HIS INTENTIONS ARE TO MISUSE THE SERVICES OF THIS SITE AS WELL AS THE EXPERTS,..." are testimony of that.
There have been a number of occasions that Whenever a genuine query is raised, Mr. Dhingra raises a question how it concerns me and poisons minds of other experts.
Recently, Mr. Kumar Doab has joined him and quoting links of my queries on the pretext of being repetitive. He even chased me at other Forum also and quoted links there with a view to pollute minds of visitors there
For Mr.Kumar Doab,
Instead of polluting minds of experts and visitors by quoting links of my queries on the pretext of being repetitive, it would have been better, if you had pointed out specifically as to what exactly is repetitive, which already been has replied properly earlier.You are given opportunity to do so now also so that this forum and the other forum, where you chased me, know the truth.
Guest
(Expert) 18 January 2015
Dear Author, Enough Please.Mr.P.S.Dhingra is a Senior Advocate and Senior Expert and Mr.Kumar Doab is well Known for his Decency and a Respectable Expert of this Forum.You are here by requested to shut down this matter which would be good for you also. Query is Resolved.
Guest
(Querist) 18 January 2015
Narasimha Ji,
Following queries, which have been posed to the Administrator of this site, are yet to be resolved for future purposes:
1. Is there any restriction on this site that the query must be related to the querist only and he cannot raise queries on behalf of others i.e. close relatives, friends, known to etc., who are real sufferers and need advice from respected experts of this site on complicated issues faced by them but do not have account on this site and are not computer literates?
2. What Criteria has been fixed for terming a query as "ACADEMIC' on this site?
Guest
(Expert) 18 January 2015
Mr. Sandeep,
By the way, what wrong you noticed in my reply, "As a proprietor of a firm, you are not governed by CCS (CCA) Rules" on which you issued me directive, "Dhingra Ji, I have already requested you not to waste your Precious time and energy on my queries" AND ALSO tried to prove me wrong by posing a question to me, "who has told you I am a proprietor of a firm" when have already shown yourself as a "proprietor" in your own profile?
IF YOU DID NOT LIKE MY REPLY, YOU COULD WELL HAVE WAITED FOR THE REPLIES OF OTHER EXPERTS, INSTED OF THROWING CHALLENGES ON ME.
SO, THE ADMN CAN VERY WELL NOTICE WHO WAS THE INITIATOR OF THE PROBLEM, WHEN YOU STARTED POSING UNWARRANTED POSERS/ QUESTIONS ON ME AND NEVER REPLIED MY QUESTIONS TO CLEAR YOUR POSITION, WHO YOU ARE AND HOW YOU WERE CONCERNED WITH THE PROBLEM.
Guest
(Querist) 18 January 2015
FOR ADMINISTRATOR OF THIS SITE
My following queries are losing sight of with the result that I am repeating the same and express regret for the inconvenience:
1. Is there any restriction on this site that the query must be related to the querist only and he cannot raise queries on behalf of others i.e. close relatives, friends, known to etc., who are real sufferers and need advice from respected experts of this site on complicated issues faced by them but do not have account on this site and are not computer literates?
2. What Criteria has been fixed for terming a query as "ACADEMIC' on this site
Guest
(Expert) 18 January 2015
Mr. Sandeep,
So now with your latest post you seem to believe as if the administrator of the site is also answerable to you!
Contrary to your query about restriction on queries, are you authorised to put any restriction on any expert by issuing your directive not to reply your open query when every expert is free to reply any open query?
Also, if your understanding is so poor about the term "academic," do you believe the administrator of the site is bound to reply your vague queries.
Your problem is that you think every one on this site is obliged to serve you in any manner you like.
Guest
(Querist) 20 January 2015
Mr. Dhingra,
You have already tried to poison other experts against me but I am sure they very well understand. Now trying to poison Administrator of this Site!
Let this chapter be closed.
FOR ALL
I sincerely express apologies to all those, who have felt offended because of such queries, WHICH HAVE ARISEN OUT OF GENUINE SITUATIONS BEING FACED PRACTICALLY
Guest
(Querist) 22 January 2015
RESPECTED ADMINISTRATOR OF THIS SITE
I am waiting for clarification from your side on my following queries please;
1. Is there any restriction on this site that the query must be related to the querist only and he cannot raise queries on behalf of others i.e. close relatives, friends, known to etc., who are real sufferers and need advice from respected experts of this site on complicated issues faced by them but do not have account on this site and are not computer literates?
2. What Criteria has been fixed for terming a query as "ACADEMIC' on this site?
All queries raised by me earlier were out of genuine practical situations faced by sufferers around me, who either are illeterates or do not have computer knowledge or are unable to express themselves. Through this esteemed forum, I tried to help them but it should not be taken at all that my "INTENTIONS ARE TO MISUSE THE SERVICES OF THIS SITE AS WELL AS THE EXPERTS,..." and I am "an agent, who takes experts opinion to earn out of that from the persons facing the real problem."
Although replies of respected experts to queries were helpful, anybody will wonder how one could earn out of that. Do people give money so easily?
For future purposes, the replies to my above queries are very important from public point of view also, which consists of illiterates or although literates but cannot use computer or do not know how to raise queries.
The respected experts on this forum are doing self-less service and most of them do not have any objection to queries raised even if same do not personally belong to the queriest raising the query.
Respected Administrator, In case reply to my query number (1) is in affirmative, I shall close my Account immediately for which I would like to know the procedure.
Guest
(Expert) 22 January 2015
Mr. Sandeep,
Now with the latest post you are trying to play oversmart even with the administrator or the website when you say, "All queries raised by me earlier were out of genuine practical situations faced by sufferers around me, who either are illeterates or do not have computer knowledge or are unable to express themselves." The question arises, why don't you discuss the genuine problems and always post queries, like a schhol teacher poses to his students, but without discussing background of the case along with the real problem.
Just for an wexample, can you clarify whether the following query was put by you for and on behalf of a Director/ company, who could have been illeterate, or did not have computer knowledge or would have been unable to express himself?"
"1. Is Managing Director of a Company incorporated under Companies Act, 2013 a statutory post? 2. What formalities should be completed to give charge of this post in a Government Company to an official of the concerned administrative ministry?
Weblink: http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/experts/Staturory-post-482326.asp#.VMCA3izxpfB
This instance in itself exposes you to be not truthful in your explanation. The query in itself speaks that instead of clarifying your position about how you were concerned with the query/ academic query, etc., you started rebuking almost all the experts on that page.
In fact, none of your query posted so far pertains to you or of any illiterate person. Most of them relate to very affluent class & literate persons, having even no remote concern with any of your personal problems.
Even in relation to the present query, the concerned charge sheeted employee or his defence assistant can never be the illiterate persons or unable to express themselves.
In the context of the present query when you say, "THE PRELIMINARY/TECHNICAL objections raised in the Appeal have not been addressed and the order of the Appellate Authority is not a SPEAKING ORDER," and you know "Appeal in CAT may take long time" and ask for "WHAT IS THE REMEDY," do you believe that any remedy suggested by any of the experts would be binding on the concerned authorities to yield them and compel them to withdraw their order, as if they have been supposed to be the subordinates to the members of the LCI?
Guest
(Expert) 22 January 2015
Mr. Sandeep,
About your allegation, "you have already tried to poison other experts against me but I am sure they very well understand. Now trying to poison Administrator of this Site!" you are quite wrong, I have tried to reveal your fake identity, what you pose, but you are not. The aforesaid wxample is not a single one making your position exposwed vis-a-vis your explanation, rather, most of the examples can reveal what you falsely pose, but you are not that.
Guest
(Expert) 22 January 2015
Dear Mr.P.S.Dhingra ji the Author had given Sufficient facts about himself.There are so many people here who had not given their details but still continue as Experts.Actually you are insultiing him.To your status this attitude is not one to be expected.
Guest
(Expert) 22 January 2015
Mr. N.J.S.,
Thanks for your verdict! If you are convinced about his sufficient facts, you are welcome to solve his original query related problem, as at least your mind doesn't seem to have been poisoned by me.
