Equality
lissing perme
(Querist) 28 June 2013
This query is : Resolved
Respected Experts
In our State, As per the Job Advertisement the person to be qualified to sit in the examination of Ranger (Forest Officer) should be degree holder in B.Sc.
Now I being a Geography student feel that this rule is arbitrary as I/we the students of Geography have far better knowledge of Flora and Fauna than the B.Sc. students having major in subjects like chemistry,Mathematics and Physics.
Therefore can I challenge above advertisement in Writ Petition, Pliz Help me out!!
Is any leading case in this regard.
Thanks
Adv Archana Deshmukh
(Expert) 29 June 2013
consult a local lawyer and discuss with him on what basis you feel ur qualification is better suitable for the post than B.Sc students, then see what can be done i.e where to challange it.
lissing perme
(Querist) 29 June 2013
@ adv. Rajeev Rajoo & Adv Archana
Is that the expert answer???...Lo???
Guest
(Expert) 29 June 2013
Mr. Lissing Perme,
When you feel that you have extraordinary calibre and can challenge the opinions of experts here, I wonder, why you feel the necessaity to ask queries over this forum? Moreover, when you can challenge the experts over here, you can challenge anything in the world.
You have asked whether you can challenge the advertisement. Advocate Rajeev (Rajoo) has opined, you can challenge. Ms. Archana has advised you to consult a local lawyer before you challenge, so that you can be doubly sure about your talent on the ground that you consider your qualification in geography stream as better than science.
What else you want on your query whether you can challenge the ad or not?
But, your taunting response, "is that the expert answer???...Lo???" to both the answers denotes as if you are much more qualified in law than both of the experts. So, why there was any need to ask the question.
About constitutional equality, even the candidates with qualifications in Arts, Political Science, Medicines, etc., or even non-graduates can also claim that they have more knowledge than the science graduates. The question aises, have you enquired in to the reason why the forest department seeks BSc qualified candidates? Also, how you are sure that the forest department needs candidates only with knowledge of flora and fauna?
So, in nutshell, when you are not satisfied with the replies of experts on LCI, it would be better, either you act at your own accord or consult some local lawyer to convince him that you have better knowledge than the BSc candidates, so that he can advise you appropriately whether your case is fit for challenge or not.
However, my advice to you is to try your luck in jobs pertaining to geological surveys.
lissing perme
(Querist) 29 June 2013
@ PS Dhingra
I am sorry to say that here I am not challenging the opinion of Experts but I am surely feel poor about the purported Expert who under the veil of Experts making this goodwill website a joke.
For Example to My question Advocate Rajeev (Rajoo) has opined, you can challenge. Ms. Archana has advised you to consult a local lawyer before you challenge.Here my reservation is that being a experts (in this forum being a legal expert)the concern expert should try to give legal advice to the Questioner instead of saying You can Challenge the expert should try to give guidance How to challenge, What are the Procedure etc.Like wise the advice like you need to consult a local lawyer is uncalled for and absurd as all the questioner also know that for legal opinion one should go to lawyer and if that the solution than what is need of this forum whose very objective is "Interactive forum for Lawyer and India Public".
So my request and prayer here to all the experts is that if you don't have capacity and knowledge to guidance to Questioner please leave that question unanswered and let the other capable expert give a chance to answer that question as questioner here is not for time past but they post question with great hope and under a need of legal advice.
Thanks
Adv Archana Deshmukh
(Expert) 29 June 2013
lissing perme,
When you are coming with the 'hope of getting free advice' from the advocates here, first of all learn to be modest in your language.... When your so called qualification is unknown to anyone here, nobody can guide you in what way you should challange. There is no stereotyped one fixed procedure to challange. Whether you should challange it in writ or should first approach to the govt public service commission needs to be decided on the basis of your qualification about which you are talking. What do u mean by a student of geography? whether u r a degree holder or a mere 10+2 with geography as one subject or a undergraduate, does anybody know here..?? Also it depends upon state to state as rules of state public service commissions differ from each other. Have you mentioned your state? which exact post you are talking abt? Have u given any detail info? Challanging a posts required qualification.. do u think its like filling up an exam form? There are many things that are to be known and understood before deciding any line of action to challange the settled qualification for a post. If you come here with incomplete, vague and absured information nobody can give you any concrete guidance.
lissing perme
(Querist) 29 June 2013
@ Adv Archana
That sound better!!!
When I wrote Degree holder in B.SC obvious I am having Degree in Geography!!
Adv Archana Deshmukh
(Expert) 29 June 2013
Read the reply again till you understand it properly. Possessing the degree is not the only thing.
lissing perme
(Querist) 29 June 2013
May I request to again go through my question and please inference expertise law point from that.
Rajendra K Goyal
(Expert) 29 June 2013
When asked whether it can be challenged, the complete,required,brief and best answer with the given facts was yes, which was provided. Nothing more was required.
The questioner may be hoping of answer as per his wishes,or as he was having in his mind, no body can predict what he wanted in answer. The answer was as per question.
Questioner has asked for procedure and case law, without detailed grounds of challenge, authority, stage of challenge, nobody can answer this.
As referred all states are having their own recruitment policies, different qualification requirements etc. as per the post requirement.
Better taunting, you should have acted upon the advice of experts, you would have been in a better clear position about your query.
lissing perme
(Querist) 29 June 2013
@ Rajendra K Goyal
That better!!
But in regard to "As referred all states are having their own recruitment policies, different qualification requirements etc. as per the post requirement."
I think and I believe that I have in clear terms provide the require information in my question. Let me any say these yes my state have recruitment policies, different qualification requirement etc as per the post and for the post of the Ranger(Forest Officer) the person should be degree holder in B.Sc.
Now I want to challenge challenge this rule for it arbitrariness.Whether I can or not??? that was my question
Hope understand!!!
Guest
(Expert) 29 June 2013
@Lissing Perme,
Please be aware, here you can expect general guidelines for general type of questions without examination of case related papers, as the answer is usually based on the spirit of the question as per the individual perception and interpretation of the querist.
Your basic & primary question when you asked, "can I challenge above advertisement in Writ Petition," clearly indicated that you desired the information whether you can or cannot challenge the ad. You have neither asked for the procedure, nor the question of procedure arises, as that is a secondary issue.
Moreover, the nitty grotty of procedure is such that the whole of the Procedure in different circumstances cannot be reproduced for the guidance of the querists.
If you require detailed procedure, you will compulsorily have to seek help of some local lawyer by detailed discussion with reference to the case related papers and your additional information, as neither you would be able to share necessary detailed information, nor any expert has so much free time to continue to pose queries after queries to seek detailed information from you.
Since your own language in your post, "is that the expert answer???...Lo???" indicates your taunt on the experts and also denotes, as if you are not satisfied with the answer of any one of them. The style of your post is such that the same indicates, as if you knew much better answer than their answers. But, you have not indicated any reason, with what reason you are not satisfied. Contrarily, you posed a common question on them in an intemperate language to which anyone can take exception.
Moreover, had you not been satisfied with the answer of any of those experts, you could well have the patience to wait for answers of some other experts suiting your taste, instead of using intemperate language.
Mind it, any expert here is not a paid servant of any querist or the LCI. They are rendering voluntary free service to the querists. So, instead of using intemperate language, you should have been thankful to them who venture to spare their time in a bid to reply your query free of cost.
Rajendra K Goyal
(Expert) 29 June 2013
Well clarified by the expert sh. PS Dhingra dcgroup1962@gmail.com. Nothing more to add.
lissing perme
(Querist) 29 June 2013
@PS Dhingra,
Your Advice taken!!
Voluntary free service don't means that you are asking for medicine but your are being supply with a poison.
So my request and prayer here to all the experts is that if you don't have capacity and knowledge to guidance to Questioner please leave that question unanswered and let the other capable expert give a chance to answer that question as questioner here is not for time past but they post question with great hope and under a need of legal advice.
Thanks
Raj Kumar Makkad
(Expert) 02 July 2013
Mr. or Mrs. lissing perme! You need not start a coaching class for experts. If you have no time to read the advice of the experts, forget to post on this site. The experts are free to express their views without any boundation irrespective of the fact you like it or not.
lissing perme
(Querist) 02 July 2013
@Raj Kumar Makkad
Are this site reserved for Experts???
If want to be Experts then he or she should capable to take question from layman.
Guest
(Expert) 02 July 2013
@ Lissing perme.
Your statement "my request and prayer here to all the experts is that if you don't have capacity and knowledge to guidance to Questioner please leave that question unanswered" denotes, as if you are the best judge of capacity and knowledge of experts. In other words, you are a very learned person, who knows much more of law than any of the experts.
The question arises, had you been so able to gauge the capacity and knowledge of experts, you could well have come forwards in clear words by quoting relevant section of law, where Adv. Archana and Adv. Rajeev (Rajoo) were wrong on any law point in replying your question.
About capacity and knowledge, while I have the capacity and knowledge to reply your queries, I always avoid to reply your questions only due to your arrogant and egoistic behaviour and intenperate language you use, as I noticed earlier in several of your question answer sessions.
Mind it, knowledge cannot be gained by arroghant behaviour, like yours.
You cannot debar or forbid any person to express his views on a question open for all to reply. However, if you are unable to digest any reply, better skip that and wait for other replies, which can satisfy your ego and tast.
Law is not like a timid wife of a person, who can be expected to work only according to the likings and dislikings of her husband.
If you are allergic to the replies of the experts over here, you are free to consult some local lawyer, if he can remove your doubts keeping in view of your own likings and dislikings.
JUST SEE, IT IS ONLY DUE TO YOUR INTEMPERATE LANGUAGE, OTHER EXPERTS, WHO HAVE KNOWLEDGE AND CAPACITY, HAVE NOT COME FORWARD SO FAR TO ANSWER YOUR MAIN QUERY.
Guest
(Expert) 02 July 2013
Now your post aimed at Shri Makkad, "If want to be Experts then he or she should capable to take question from layman" is quite amazing for me.
When you are capable to judge the knowledge and capacity of experts, it wonders me how you are now treating yourself as a layman?
Raj Kumar Makkad
(Expert) 03 July 2013
We also don't care about such 'layman' who have no sense to put their questions in passive manner.
lissing perme
(Querist) 03 July 2013
@PS Dhingra!!
Again your advice taken!!
Iam only wondering instead of advice,what if you answer my question!!!!
lissing perme
(Querist) 03 July 2013
@Raj Kumar Makkad!!
That O.K.
But really am in cryptic to see that some so called experts do not have time to give straight advice but have time for unnecessary talk
Guest
(Expert) 03 July 2013
@ Lissing Perme,
I wonder on your asking, "Iam only wondering instead of advice,what if you answer my question," when I have already stated the reason why I don't answer your questions.
I hope in future, if you post a question, as a layman, you would not try to pose like a super expert and also behave like a humble learner and a real layman, if you really want help from experts to get solution to your problems.
Also, if you still feel not to desist from posing like a super expert, you must include below your question, the warning for the experts, as "WARNING: persons, who don't have capacity and knowledge to guide, should not try to answer the question."
lissing perme
(Querist) 04 July 2013
@PS Dhingra
Let Hope for best!!!
Guest
(Expert) 04 July 2013
@Lissing Perme,
I also wish for the best, but on reasonable grounds.
Raj Kumar Makkad
(Expert) 04 July 2013
Hope for the best and be ready for the worst.
