Dalit christians lose their sc reservation


Sir , Please will you provide Under which law/rule Dalit Christians lose their SC reservation,the moment they change their religion to Christianity.  ? Are they come under OC (UR) or OBC after conversion to christianity ? 

 
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At present  discussions are going on whether to include Dalit christians  in SC category or OBC category  for job and  educational Institutions quota. Pleaae see the below given news item/discusion I came across online published in the Hindu.If you appreciate this answer please click the thank you buttonon this forum.

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CHENNAI, June 6, 201Updated: June 6, 2016 08:00 IS

Focus on quota for Dalit Christians

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Burning issue:The conflict in Eraiyur in Villupuram led to police firing in 2008.— File photo

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Supporters argue that reservation is covered by the right to freedom of religion

The demand for according Scheduled Caste (SC) status for Dalit Christians has become more vocal with the recent Cabinet approval for including Narikuravars and a few other communities in the list of Scheduled Tribes (ST).

DMK leader M. Karunanidhi recently wrote to Prime Minister Narendra Modi seeking SC status for Dalit Christians and ST status for the fishermen under the category of marine tribes.

“When the Indian Constitution allows the right to freedom of religion, you cannot deny SC status for the Dalits just because they have converted to Christianity or Islam,” argued Viduthalai Chiruthaigal Katchi (VCK) general secretary Ravikumar.

What comes in the way of Dalit Christians getting the benefits of reservation set apart for the SCs was Para 3 of the 1950 Presidential Order, which states, “No person who professes a religion different from the Hindu, the Sikh or Buddhist religion shall be deemed to be a member of Scheduled Caste.”

“But the order was amended in 1956 to give the SC status to Dalits in Sikhism and again in 1990 to Dalits converted to Buddhism,” pointed out Anbuselvan, writer and Dalit researcher.

The National Commission for Religious & Linguistic Minorities, better known as the Justice Ranganath Mishra Commission, has strongly recommended deletion of Para 3 of the Presidential Order. The Sachar Committee also recommended reservation for Dalit Christians and Muslims. But the Centre had objected to these recommendations on the grounds that granting SC status to Dalit Christians and Muslims would encourage large-scale religious conversion.

Compartmental quota

As it remains a contentious issue, Mr. Anbuselvan suggested providing compartmental reservation for Dalit Christians within the OBCs because their presence also strengthened the struggle for separate reservation for the OBCs.

“I feel that their inclusion in the SC category would exert more pressure on the existing population benefitting from reservation. But they should be allowed to file cases under the Scheduled Castes and Tribes (Prevention of Atrocities) Act, 1989,” he said.

As per the 2011 census, Christians constitute 6.12 per cent of Tamil Nadu’s population and in any church, whether it is Protestant or Catholic, Dalits account for a minimum of 60 per cent. In some areas, their presence has touched 85 per cent.

Christianity has offered Dalits the much needed impetus for upward mobility, said

Fr Jagath Gasper Raj, while acknowledging that it had not completely improved their status. “We must honestly accept that their condition is abysmally backward and reservation benefits will certainly improve their condition,” he said.

While Mr. Anbuselvan alleged that Dalits had to grapple with problems such as admission into schools and colleges, and administrative and ecclesiastic positions continued to be beyond their reach, Fr Gasper said it was a sweeping statement.

“Two Catholic Bishops are Dalits and the former Bishop of Madras Diocese is also a Dalit,” he said.

While making a strong case for reservation for Dalit Christians, Mr. Ravikumar, however, alleged that there seemed to be motive behind the Church encouraging the demand of Dalits. “Their attitude seems to be ‘do not ask for a share from us. But go to the government’. The Church should be more accommodative in the case of Dalit Christians,” he said.If you APPRECIATE THIS ANWER PLEASE CLICK THE THNAK YOU BUTTON ON THIS FORUM.

 

 

 

 

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At present  discussions are going on whether to include Dalit christians  in SC category or OBC category  for job and  educational Institutions quota. Pleaae see the below given news item/discusion I came across online published in the Hindu.If you appreciate this answer please click the thank you buttonon this forum.

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CHENNAI, June 6, 201Updated: June 6, 2016 08:00 IS

Focus on quota for Dalit Christians

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Burning issue:The conflict in Eraiyur in Villupuram led to police firing in 2008.— File photo

Burning issue:The conflict in Eraiyur in Villupuram led to police firing in 2008.— File photo

Supporters argue that reservation is covered by the right to freedom of religion

The demand for according Scheduled Caste (SC) status for Dalit Christians has become more vocal with the recent Cabinet approval for including Narikuravars and a few other communities in the list of Scheduled Tribes (ST).

DMK leader M. Karunanidhi recently wrote to Prime Minister Narendra Modi seeking SC status for Dalit Christians and ST status for the fishermen under the category of marine tribes.

“When the Indian Constitution allows the right to freedom of religion, you cannot deny SC status for the Dalits just because they have converted to Christianity or Islam,” argued Viduthalai Chiruthaigal Katchi (VCK) general secretary Ravikumar.

What comes in the way of Dalit Christians getting the benefits of reservation set apart for the SCs was Para 3 of the 1950 Presidential Order, which states, “No person who professes a religion different from the Hindu, the Sikh or Buddhist religion shall be deemed to be a member of Scheduled Caste.”

“But the order was amended in 1956 to give the SC status to Dalits in Sikhism and again in 1990 to Dalits converted to Buddhism,” pointed out Anbuselvan, writer and Dalit researcher.

The National Commission for Religious & Linguistic Minorities, better known as the Justice Ranganath Mishra Commission, has strongly recommended deletion of Para 3 of the Presidential Order. The Sachar Committee also recommended reservation for Dalit Christians and Muslims. But the Centre had objected to these recommendations on the grounds that granting SC status to Dalit Christians and Muslims would encourage large-scale religious conversion.

Compartmental quota

As it remains a contentious issue, Mr. Anbuselvan suggested providing compartmental reservation for Dalit Christians within the OBCs because their presence also strengthened the struggle for separate reservation for the OBCs.

“I feel that their inclusion in the SC category would exert more pressure on the existing population benefitting from reservation. But they should be allowed to file cases under the Scheduled Castes and Tribes (Prevention of Atrocities) Act, 1989,” he said.

As per the 2011 census, Christians constitute 6.12 per cent of Tamil Nadu’s population and in any church, whether it is Protestant or Catholic, Dalits account for a minimum of 60 per cent. In some areas, their presence has touched 85 per cent.

Christianity has offered Dalits the much needed impetus for upward mobility, said

Fr Jagath Gasper Raj, while acknowledging that it had not completely improved their status. “We must honestly accept that their condition is abysmally backward and reservation benefits will certainly improve their condition,” he said.

While Mr. Anbuselvan alleged that Dalits had to grapple with problems such as admission into schools and colleges, and administrative and ecclesiastic positions continued to be beyond their reach, Fr Gasper said it was a sweeping statement.

“Two Catholic Bishops are Dalits and the former Bishop of Madras Diocese is also a Dalit,” he said.

While making a strong case for reservation for Dalit Christians, Mr. Ravikumar, however, alleged that there seemed to be motive behind the Church encouraging the demand of Dalits. “Their attitude seems to be ‘do not ask for a share from us. But go to the government’. The Church should be more accommodative in the case of Dalit Christians,” he said.If you APPRECIATE THIS ANWER PLEASE CLICK THE THANK YOU BUTTON ON THIS FORUM.

 

 

 

 

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Yes! After conversion to christiannity Dalit christians loose their SC status. Hence therei is a clamour for inclusion of dalit  christians in SC category  or OBC category to imporv their educational and economic  status.

 
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It is a fact that a  person belonging to Scheduled Caste cease to be considered to be belonging to that community once he /she gets converted to Christianity and hence loses all the advantages and concessions thereto . The principle involved is obvious and simple.  An SC person is extended many a benefit in order to compensate  for the disabilities because of the Caste. Caste is a feature of Hinduism alone, and of no other religion. Hence in order to be eligible for the benefits thereto an SC person should necessarily be a Hindu. This is all the more so because Christianity does not recognize Caste system and one of the reasons why a  person chooses to get converted is to escape from the disabilities of Caste. 

It is true that Dalits belonging to Buddhist, Jain and Sikh religion do not suffer this disability. This because  the legal fiction 'Hindu includes Buddhist, Jain and Sikh'

 
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