Mental harassment and suspension threats at work
Confused Indian
(Querist) 22 July 2016
This query is : Resolved
My father is a central government employee,currently working under the home ministry.
He joined the office nearly 3 months back as a group A officer,ever since then he's been under severe pressure because of the work load and non-cooperation of his juniors and even his seniors.
There are two more similar posts(same as my father's)in the office,all of which have been vacant for a long time until my father was promoted(from a non-officer class job) and made to occupy one of these designations. Now,since he's only new to this job and there is no one around to guide him with his work and duties,my father faced a lot of hardships in the beginning but even after he tried taking control of things and learning how to work around things himself,his fellow coworkers,instead of helping him do so, have only caused him more and more trouble every-time ,mostly ON PURPOSE.
His juniors have not had a healthy relationship among themselves since before he joined this office,they keep fighting among themselves and end leave all the work they've to do as it is.But since my father is the one who actually holds some authority and is responsible for the work. So, keeping in mind that at the end it'll be him who has to answer the delay(and also to maintain a healthy work atmosphere,as their senior), every time my father tries to solve their issues,they all suddenly unify and start THREATENING HIM.One of them has even declared right to his face"I'll only work as much as I feel like.Do whatever you feel like.I'm not scared of anyone".My father has reported this issue to his seniors many time but they aren't interested in the least.All they care about is getting the work done at time,even if he has to do 10 men's work all by himself.
My father has even tried convincing his juniors,by calling them personally after office hours and literally pleading to them to understand his position and to please cope-up with each other but they've straight forward denied his humble request.
Since these past two months, he's been under severe depression and his health has went down greatly. I've never seen my dad so tensed my whole life.
He starts having panic attacks,feels like throwing up all the time and is so depressed that he's sometimes not even aware of his surroundings.
All these things added up to the ailments he's already suffering from(High BP,cholesterol,thyroid,cervical pain among them) have taken a huge toll on his health.
He's applied for a transfer but its already been over a month and a half since that and even though the application was forwarded by his senior, who is totally against the idea(and actually added content against it, from his own side),the application has not even reached the officer who is ultimately in-charge.
The matter has not only been affecting him,but also us,the rest of his family.The sadness is reaching us all.
One more thing I would like to add is that my father had not gone to the office for the past three days due to bad health(caused,of course,by these circumstances) and today when he did,his senior handed him some kind of memo(I don't exactly know if that's an office slang) and warned him of his suspension.But this isn't the first time he's done so.Like i mentioned before,every time my father's juniors get in a fight and leave all the work,its my father who has to suffer,and every time he gets a suspension threat
So finally, I ask you if there's anything the law can do to help us while keeping my my father's job and dignity and help our family in these grave circumstances?
Kumar Doab
(Expert) 22 July 2016
Show the memo to a very able counsel specializing in service matters.
R.K Nanda
(Expert) 22 July 2016
Query too long
Confused Indian
(Querist) 22 July 2016
First of all,i thank you both for your quick replies.
Secondly,Mr. Kumar,I was actually expecting something which I could suggest to my father to do himself.The thing is,my father is a little restraint in nature and all this pressure and no result has made him even more negative. I've not even told him that I've posted his problem here.So if there is something that he could actually do himself without seeking professional counsel,I would really appreciate it.
And, Mr. Nanda,I know that my query is a little too long but I wanted to make sure that I've included all the things which would seem to help you understand this case better.The fact is i still feel like i could add a thing or two,but it would be really helpful if you could please once review the whole case and suggest me what to do.You seem to be quite experienced and so,your suggestions might just help us get through this hardship.
Kumar Doab
(Expert) 22 July 2016
You wanted second response.
'ASAP,Show the memo to a very able counsel specializing in service matters.'
adv.bharat @ PUNE
(Expert) 22 July 2016
Consult Administration layer specialise in service matter.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 23 July 2016
Read the long narrative.
It gives a prima-facie impression that :-
(i) your father is incompetent in his job. He has been promoted in direct line of promotion like lakhs of govt employees and is unable to discharge responsibility and is blaming around each and everyone except himself.
(ii) Your father is having uncordial relations will all and sundry (people below him and people above him) which is a rare phenomena in govt offices and is blaming around each and everyone except himself.
(iii) He has been promoted in an organisation where he might have worked a number of years but not able to cope with work culture and is blaming around each and everyone except himself.
(iv) He is not the first or last Govt employee to have joined at lower level and risen to Gp-A level. Millions of govt employee have experienced so. He is a poor manager and is not able to utilize the services of the existing manpower and is blaming around each and everyone except himself.
All these factors are sufficient for him to earn adverse report and not able to complete his probation and be reverted to earlier rank and pay.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 23 July 2016
Since you have stated that there is suspension threat (which is not so easy to earn in Govt) it reasonable appears that there is probably serious dereliction to duty or embezzlement/fraud which either he caused or failed to prevent.
Since the contents of the so called Memo are not there it is difficult to understand the exact situation.
But if such senerio is there then he can expect a disciplinary action.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 23 July 2016
you asked
"Since you have stated that there is suspension threat (which is not so easy to earn in Govt) it reasonable appears that there is "
Law provides remedy :-
(i) to seek transfer.
(ii) be ready for reversion
or
(iii) Mend himself. The whole persons fo the deptt cannot be wrong. Better not try to convince anybody on this.
Rajendra K Goyal
(Expert) 23 July 2016
Your father is facing the problem which a large no. of government and private sector employees / officers are facing.
Just he should try to start work, without confrontation with any body, he should keep all records complete, inward dak, the person to which the work was allotted when completed etc.
He should try to finish priority work with priority, should keep good relations with seniors / juniors .
In government offices reporting against juniors may not fetch desired results, most things should be avoided except when there is fraud which must be taken care of and reported.
Transfer is no solution, he should proceed with confidence.
If he start, results would be available in few months.
Confused Indian
(Querist) 23 July 2016
Mr. Sudhir Kumar,maybe you should read the situation once again and try to understand it better.As far as incompetency goes,you seem to completely ignore the fact that not only is my father single-handedly bearing the work of two other similar posts but also filling in for the work left incomplete because of the intolerable behavior of his juniors.
As for the "uncordial relations",my father has quite been known for his courteous and friendly behavior in all his previous offices.The problem in this office arises because of the bitter relations his juniors have with each other,long before my father joined in and his senior trying to put all the blame on him rather than helping him sort out the issues.
The point you've made on the suspension threats is by far,the most ridiculous of all your suggestions.Had you read the situation properly,you'd have understood that my dad is the only one carrying out is duties with all his willpower and devotion,the only thing is demands is the co-operation of his coworkers for them to actually do some work(for which the govt. is paying them).You also don't seem to know the conditions most of the employees work under these days(especially those who're not cunning and stay away from office politics) and that some higher-ups in the system just take advantage of their authority and threaten others of suspension or some other kind of disciplinary action.
As for the remedies you've suggested,my father is already seeking a transfer(once again,something you'd have known if you'd actually read the situation) but there also,the office has been putting hurdles and not letting the application go through easily.And why should he get ready for reversion?? He's worked hard all his life and a promotion is something he deserves.
you say that the whole department can't be wrong.Well,let me clarify myself,the persons in question are 3 of his juniors(2 gents and a lady) and a seniors,which means a total of four people,definitely not a no. which would seem enough to criticize a person who has not been provided with enough resources to start with and has literally been begging them to just cooperate and do the work they're been paid to do.
I came here seeking professional advice and if you're actually willing to help then i expect you to review the whole case thoroughly first.
Confused Indian
(Querist) 23 July 2016
Thanks for the suggestions Mr. Goyal, I myself share the same thoughts as you.Our whole family has been trying to convey him these feelings and and even he has tried to wait and work around things but the circumstances have remained the same for a long time now and our main concern is his health which has been degrading day by day.
I will try to convince him once again but it would still be better if you could suggest me something i can do against the threatening senior and the juniors.
Confused Indian
(Querist) 23 July 2016
I also asked my father about the memo,as suggested by Mr. Doab an Mr. Bharat. Turns out it was some kind of report which he had to submit to the office stating the reason for his absence for the previous 2 days.So,once again it's not something which we could take to a counsel since it has already been submitted.
P. Venu
(Expert) 23 July 2016
He is a group A Officer. Such situations need to be taken on the stride. Any how, he has the protection of Article 311 so that he can put forward the best effort in discharging his duties as a public servant without fear or favour.
Guest
(Expert) 23 July 2016
Mr. Shekar,
Total how many years of service your father has rendered so far in Government offices?
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 23 July 2016
I have already read what you said. I need no teaching from you.
You said
"As far as incompetency goes,you seem to completely ignore the fact that not only is my father single-handedly bearing the work of two other similar posts but also filling in for the work left incomplete because of the intolerable behavior of his juniors."
He is not the first or last such officer of Govt of India.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 23 July 2016
You said
"The problem in this office arises because of the bitter relations his juniors have with each other,long before my father joined in and his senior trying to put all the blame on him rather than helping him sort out the issues."
This is uncommon but not rare in offices.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 23 July 2016
you said
"The point you've made on the suspension threats is by far,the most ridiculous of all your suggestions.Had you read the situation properly,you'd have understood that my dad is the only one carrying out is duties with all his willpower and devotion,the only thing is demands is the co-operation of his coworkers for them to actually do some work(for which the govt. is paying them)."
I take strong objection on your wording.
Youhave to remember that
(i) it is a free advisory forum and
(ii) experts here are using their own electricity,
(iii) experts here are using their net connection
(iv) experts here are using their and precious time for your benefit.
(v) experts understand the situation from you own description.
I repeat what I said about suspension
"Since you have stated that there is suspension threat (which is not so easy to earn in Govt) it reasonable appears that there is probably serious dereliction to duty or embezzlement/fraud which either he caused or failed to prevent. "
I still maintain that I know under what circumstances a govt employee can be suspended. There are complete guidelines on the subject which you do not seem to have read.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 23 July 2016
It is now your have revealed that
"I also asked my father about the memo,as suggested by Mr. Doab an Mr. Bharat. Turns out it was some kind of report which he had to submit to the office stating the reason for his absence for the previous 2 days.So,once again it's not something which we could take to a counsel since it has already been submitted."
Therefore you in the first place came for guidance without facts.
SO it appears from your description that :-
(i) your father is just required to submit a medical certificate from AMA with his leave application. If he has no medical certificate then he has to just apologise.
(ii) So it appears that so called suspension threat is not in writing (unless you are yet to reveal more facts).
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 23 July 2016
you said
"And why should he get ready for reversion?? He's worked hard all his life and a promotion is something he deserves."
Yes.
If he is unable to work to the satisfaction to the seniors during probation after promotion then he can be reverted successfully.
If any disciplinary action is initiated during probation and the penalty arising out of the same does not end till end of probation, then establishment has no option but to revert him.
He may not be the first or last such officer in Govt.
You may dislike this assertion out of your emotion you are free to do so.
But what I am saying is based on experience in Govt which appears to be more than you age.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 23 July 2016
you said
"Well,let me clarify myself,the persons in question are 3 of his juniors(2 gents and a lady) and a seniors,which means a total of four people,definitely not a no. "
please clarify if you are employed in same deptt as his junior?
Do not leave facts to imagination.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 23 July 2016
you asked
"if you could suggest me something i can do against the threatening senior and the juniors."
Sinc ethe atmosphere against his is surcharged and everyone must be happy to find some way or the other to initiate case against him.
Your interference in his public duties will be violation of Rule 20 of CCS(Conduct) Rules and can fetch him chargehseet and the consequences of being in disciplinary case during probation on portion have already been explained above.
P. Venu
(Expert) 23 July 2016
This is a case where the son of an officer has raised a query on the harassment being faced by his father. It could be that he does not have the complete information or even, he may be overstating the case. Whatever it may propriety requires that we should restrict our suggestions to the legal elements involved and assure the author that Law will certainly protect his father in all and every benign action as a public servant. However, it is really unfortunate that some of the experts are in a hurry to brand the author's father as incompetent and having indulged in dereliction to duty or embezzlement/fraud etc. etc. It is my considered opinion that the tone and tenor of such suggestions goes against very integrity of this forum, to which I am a minor contributor.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 23 July 2016
I advised
"Mend himself. The whole persons fo the deptt cannot be wrong. Better not try to convince anybody on this. "
Mr RK Goyal advised
"Just he should try to start work, without confrontation with any body, he should keep all records complete, inward dak, the person to which the work was allotted when completed etc.
He should try to finish priority work with priority, should keep good relations with seniors / juniors . "
Meaning is one and the same.
It is unfortunate that you thanked Mr Goyal and called my "ridiculous"
Mr RK Goyal will be the last person to accept such remarks on me.
If you have come hare for sooth saying the I can write a full poem in praise and glorification of your father even without meeting him.
But will his plight be resolved by the same?
If his father is in problem (atleast what you say) then he needs practical approach and not a sympathetic praise.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 24 July 2016
I further feel and add.
In case the boss of your father has to ensure his reversion to lower post all he has to do is to
either
(i) record adverse report during probation
or
(ii) create a disciplinary case against him.
He has already done the minimum he is required to do for achieving these goals.
This is not going to be first or last such case n Govt service.
He has already issued memo for unauthorized absence. If your father has no medical certificate then his boss can succeed in both designs.
So even if your father has to run from pillar to post and meet highest authority (if begging for mercy of boss fails) he must get these two days leave sanctioned.
Guest
(Expert) 24 July 2016
Mr. Shekar,
Is there any reason for not replying my query?
Confused Indian
(Querist) 24 July 2016
Mr. sudhir,you repeatedly mention that "Your father is not the first or last such officer to ....".
Are you therefore suggesting that he should just keep working under the unsustainable conditions until he cripples??
I respect and commend the fact that you all are using your resources and providing us querists with your precious time but my wording was a only a result of the remarks and baseless accusations you made against my father in your previous comments.
My father does have the medical reports.He submitted them to the office as soon as he went there but like i've mentioned before,his senior has been threatening him over every thing possible.I never said that the threat was in writing(are they even supposed to be??).
"Your interference in his public duties ...."
Is a son inquiring about possible legal solutions for his father's problems in any way,an interference in his duties(more so,without his father not even knowing).Well,I dont think so. You're free to exit the discussion anytime you want(like you said,your own electricity,net connection....)but please,dont depress an already despondent family with your comments.I never expect anyone here to praise or sympathize with us and just want to know if there is anything that this country's law can do to help us
At last,Mr. Sudhir,let me assure you that my father's boss has not left any oppurtunity to condemn him but since he's managed to hold his position so far,it just adds another proof that he has been carrying out his assigned duties sincerely.
Confused Indian
(Querist) 24 July 2016
Mr. Venu,thanks for your prompt reply.By far, yours has been the most helpful suggestion in regards of this situation.This is the kind of help I came here for in the first place.
I agree that there might be facts unknown to me since I'm not present on the premises but everything I've written in my query are the exact wordings I've haerd from my father's mouth(even while discussing the problem with his juniors over phone,like i mentioned before) and I assure you that I've not made any oversatements.
I thank you for understanding the condition and reminding "a ceratin expert" to stick to the legal elements rather than accusing and smear him.
Thanks,once again.
Confused Indian
(Querist) 24 July 2016
I'm sorry for the late reply,Mr. Dhingra.
My father has been in this job for around the past 26 years.
Kumar Doab
(Expert) 24 July 2016
The author has been advised in detail and adequately.
Handling the situations and bosses is a skill. Like any other skill this skill can also be acquired.
The employee may perform duty in duty time and maintain a record say; log book.
It has become need of the time.
The employee may record the threats (audio/visual/witnessed/minuted) as deemed fit and suitable.
It has become need of the time.
The shrude individuals in office above or below act in such manner be it a Govt/ or private establishment.
The employee is adversely affected by the conduct of employees above and below.
The employee should maintain record.
It has become need of the time.
The memo that was posted initially in the thread has been replied.
Apparently there is no other stinker in writing or a memo!
If there is it needs to be checked with fitting and substantiated reply.
Kumar Doab
(Expert) 24 July 2016
The author has posted that:
" You're free to exit the discussion anytime you want(like you said,your own electricity,net connection....)"
On the contrary the author instead of becoming commanding, may exit the discussion.
Guest
(Expert) 24 July 2016
Mr. Shekar,
In fact, there is no legality in your father's problem, as that is only due to his own inefficiency.
Just think over it that when your father has already rendered 26 years of service that too in Gazetted positions, does he not know about the requirement of conduct rules of his service, when he has gone on unauthorised absence without getting his leave sanctioned. On legal angle, that can also be termed as desertion of your father illegally from office duties.
Staff is disciplined or indisciplined, have sweet or bitter relations with each other, it is your father's duty to maintain office discipline. When he himself has indulged in to indiscipline, please don't mind if I say, it can be anybody's guess that he is not an asset, rather can be considered only as a liability on the Government.
So, before some serious disciplinary action is started against him leading to his dismissal or termination, it is better, if you ask your father to take VRS, if he is unable to discharge his duties and responsibilities as a Group-A Officer. That way, he would also be able to get benefit of 5 more years of service for the purpose of calculation of his pension, etc.
SUPER SPECIALTY SERVICES FOUNDATION (INDIA)
Kumar Doab
(Expert) 24 July 2016
Subsequent to the last post of Senior Expert Shri P.S.Dhingra, I am re-posting:
'The memo that was posted initially in the thread has been replied.
Apparently there is no other stinker in writing or a memo!'
The author has been advised by seniors and in detail.
The employee has to be flexible.
Soccer, hockey etc is game between many players and there are extras.
Tussles in employment is rather a game of chess and one to one. The coach is not allowed to sit close and murmur. This match should be avoided.
The author may understand and assimilate the situation and end the torment.
As a matter of last good gesture it is suggested that the concerned employee may retain access to a very able counsel and spend quality time with his counsel.
A seasoned counsel may also stir and shake ( like experts in this thread) the employee as no seasoned counsel would also like to fail and earn bad reputation.
Rest is upto you.
Guest
(Expert) 24 July 2016
Mr. Shekar,
My previous observations are based merely on your own description of the problem. But if you feel that you had not been able to properly explain the problem of your father, if liked, better ask him to send his problem in his own language to me through email [sssfi2016@gmail.com] along with documents pertaining to his problem, like any memo, correspondence, etc., for my examination and guidance how to handle any type of tough situation in his office, if really he does not have any fault while discharging his responsibilities.
SUPER SPECIALTY SERVICES FOUNDATION (INDIA)
Kumar Doab
(Expert) 24 July 2016
Author @ Shekar ,
As per your own profile you are a legal person. So it can be assumed that you are a legally trained mind.
Still Labor/Service matters are altogether different field of law, and there are a few counsels that specialize in it.
Usually such matters are referred to such expert counsels.
It takes years to become proficient in labor/service matters.
Senior Expert Shri P.S.Dhingra has offered to help your father.
You can benefit from his counsel.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 25 July 2016
Mr Dhingra has come forward to help and he has expressed need for papers.
The author is not even aware of complete facts.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 25 July 2016
I will not say what you want to hear. If I at all have sympathy for your father I will say what danger is forthcoming for him.
You may be annoyed you are free to feels so.
you recently said
"Mr. sudhir,you repeatedly mention that "Your father is not the first or last such officer to ....".
Are you therefore suggesting that he should just keep working under the unsustainable conditions until he cripples??"
YOU ARE REQUESTED TO JUST NOT MISINTERPRET MY WORDS.
i NEVER MEANT SO.
I HAVE ALREADY STATED THREE OPTIONS:-
i) to seek transfer.
(ii) be ready for reversion
or
(iii) Mend himself. The whole persons of the deptt cannot be wrong. Better not try to convince anybody on this.
If you tell his age and length of service then another option can be explored.
But you are choosing to insult me rather take benefit out of my experience.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 25 July 2016
"My father does have the medical reports.He submitted them to the office as soon as he went there but like i've mentioned before,his senior has been threatening him over every thing possible."
So he did not have medical certificate advising.
If you do not know the difference between medical report and medical certificate then you cannot understand the solution better let you father come forward.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 25 July 2016
The boss is threatening suspension ( which he would have got if he could do so).
It is not so easy to ensure suspension of Gp -A officer unless he is arrested, found creating fraud or failing to prevent serious fraud or there is serious negligence.
But there are many other methods to cause harm which are within powers of immediate superior and I have already explained so.
Facts give by you clearly indicate that the senior officer is on his way to harm him maximum. Normally none raised hue and cry on two days absence by calling explanation of on Gp-A officer unless he has designs to cause maximum harm.
you have described that the boss has won the first battle against your father.
If you are not prepared to understand then it is your misfortune.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 25 July 2016
I am therefor ein full agreement with Mr Dhingra
"So, before some serious disciplinary action is started against him leading to his dismissal or termination, it is better, if you ask your father to take VRS, if he is unable to discharge his duties and responsibilities as a Group-A Officer. That way, he would also be able to get benefit of 5 more years of service for the purpose of calculation of his pension, etc."
Even if he is not dismissed he is just reverted back to lower post (which as per given facts his boss is going to succeed) then he gets :-
(i) lesser pay.
(ii) lesser pension/gratuity/ leave enchantments.
(iii) loss of respect.
(iv) frustration to work further.
(v) some ailments may get aggravated.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 25 July 2016
you have also cpom,mented on me that
"baseless accusations you made against my father in your previous comments"
I am sorry to maintain what I said.
In my long experience I have seen every incompetent and inefficient official of any rank exploding such expression on all and sundry that persons above him and persons belong him have suddenly turned vicious on his posting.
The base for these observations has been given by you only.
Had your father been mature enough and responsible enough expected from his designation and responsibility then you would not have been here.
I endorse the following view of Mr Dhingra
"you had not been able to properly explain the problem of your father"
"In fact, there is no legality in your father's problem, as that is only due to his own inefficiency."
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 25 July 2016
you said
"At last,Mr. Sudhir,let me assure you that my father's boss has not left any oppurtunity to condemn him but since he's managed to hold his position so far,it just adds another proof that he has been carrying out his assigned duties sincerely. "
I can agree with this. It is appearing from description of facts given by you.
I believe your father will be providing him more chance to move ahead.
So let him consider possibility of VR.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 25 July 2016
You said
“Is a son inquiring about possible legal solutions for his father's problems in any way,an interference in his duties”
Remember what you posted earlier
“if you could suggest me something i can do against the threatening senior and the juniors.”
You are seeking the legally best options to protect career of your father. You have a right to do so. But you just cannot do anything against his seniors or juniors
I maintain that “-
He is not the first or last such officer of Govt of India
Placed in such situation the officer (with same qualification and experience) take following steps :-
(i) The complete the challenge with same resources - BUT UNFORTUNATELY YOUR FATHER SEEMS TO BE LACKING SUCH SKILL.
(ii) Get transferred - BUT UNFORTUNATELY YOU SAID THAT HE IS UNABLE TO MANAGE IT.
(iii) Mend themselves - BUT YOU ALREADY MAINTAIN THAT HE IS NOT AT FAULT SO NO HOPE ON THAT FRONT. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE CONVINCED.
So these three options suggested to you are not acceptable.
So last option people do in such case is
(iv) Seek VR. In this way they not only retained their honour and avoid being paid lesser pay /pension on a lower post.
कबूतर के आँख मूंदने से बिल्ली भाग नहीं जाती बल्कि ज्यादा आसानी से दबोच लेती है
If you ignore the impending danger and do not want to agree with me you are free to do so. But given facts indicate that the boss of your father is not skipping a chance to cause maximum possible harm.
Kumar Doab
(Expert) 25 July 2016
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Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 25 July 2016
I know that.
I ALSO KNOW THAT HIS FATHER HAS TO SUFFER BECAUSE :-
(i) he has come to the forum without facts of the case.
(ii) He strongly believes that his fathe ris first such govt officer facing such situation and cannot bend his views for the sake of reality.
(iii) he is not prepared to understand what is said by me and other experts out of experience.
(iv) he will not be able to make his father understand that 2+2=4 even if understands what is said by the experts here especially me who has seen number of such cases in govt offices.
(v) he has not come for legal advise rather for emotional solace which cannot be of any help to him.
(vi) he is of firm belief that everybody around his father is guilty and ca just cannot be and is not guilty.
I do not want his father to suffer because of his disrespect towards me. Knowing very well that he will suffer.
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 25 July 2016
I have seen his thread
http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/Sikh-muslim-marriage-in-india-116377.asp
In that thread someone advised that sikh and muslim marriage can take place in gurudwara. The suggestion was illegal as all know that such marriage is possible ponly under Spl Marriage Act and not in mosque or gurudwara. But he thanked that expert and not those who told 2+2=4
Sudhir Kumar, Advocate
(Expert) 25 July 2016
I have seen his thread
http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/experts/-psu-ban-on-campus-recruitments-constitutional-law--550991.asp
He could not show how he is concerned.
